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So, the Southwest TOS state that you can't scrape or programmatically access their data. Isn't that the end of the argument unless they find a way to manually a

by noer 9y ago

So, the Southwest TOS state that you can't scrape or programmatically access their data. Isn't that the end of the argument unless they find a way to manually access it for customers?

godelski 9y ago
I would think so. That's why you don't see SW in Google flights or any other program. SW wants you to only get it from their website. I'd imagine if there was more to the discussion Google would fight it.
revelation 9y ago
Is visiting a website now some sort of contract? I have no contractual relationship with Southwest, what do I care for their TOS? In the EU all TOS are basically just a reiteration of standard consumer law, you can put into yours whatever you want but none of that nonsense survives a legal challenge.
- toomuchtodo 9y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Fraud_and_Abuse_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Fraud_and_Abuse_Act
  - revelation 9y ago
    How does a TOS relate to this? Now that you've found the Wikipedia article, you might as well read it.
    - toomuchtodo 9y ago
      mapgrep has detailed that below: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15715971 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15715971 "I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice, but I believe this is, sadly, dead wrong. The infamous Computer Fraud and Abuse Act contains a provision barring not just unauthorized access to computer systems but also accessing such systems in a manner that exceeds authorized access. In other words, if you break terms of service on a website, you may be in violation of the CFAA."
- fjabre 9y ago
  Thank you. Well said. I'm not sure why you're getting down voted. People think that lawyers and terms can control all aspects of life. It's beyond ridiculous that a TOS that most college graduates couldn't understand is legally binding for every word in the contract. I mean shit you can put just about anything in your terms and who knows there might be a lawyer good enough and a judge stupid enough to enforce it. It's only ok if you're a big corporation like google. Indie devs have to go play in our little sandbox and be careful not to piss of the big boys.

by noer 9y ago

So, the Southwest TOS state that you can't scrape or programmatically access their data. Isn't that the end of the argument unless they find a way to manually access it for customers?

godelski 9y ago

I would think so. That's why you don't see SW in Google flights or any other program. SW wants you to only get it from their website. I'd imagine if there was more to the discussion Google would fight it.

revelation 9y ago

Is visiting a website now some sort of contract? I have no contractual relationship with Southwest, what do I care for their TOS? In the EU all TOS are basically just a reiteration of standard consumer law, you can put into yours whatever you want but none of that nonsense survives a legal challenge.

toomuchtodo 9y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Fraud_and_Abuse_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Fraud_and_Abuse_Act
- revelation 9y ago
  How does a TOS relate to this? Now that you've found the Wikipedia article, you might as well read it.
  - toomuchtodo 9y ago
    mapgrep has detailed that below: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15715971 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15715971 "I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice, but I believe this is, sadly, dead wrong. The infamous Computer Fraud and Abuse Act contains a provision barring not just unauthorized access to computer systems but also accessing such systems in a manner that exceeds authorized access. In other words, if you break terms of service on a website, you may be in violation of the CFAA."
fjabre 9y ago
Thank you. Well said. I'm not sure why you're getting down voted. People think that lawyers and terms can control all aspects of life. It's beyond ridiculous that a TOS that most college graduates couldn't understand is legally binding for every word in the contract. I mean shit you can put just about anything in your terms and who knows there might be a lawyer good enough and a judge stupid enough to enforce it. It's only ok if you're a big corporation like google. Indie devs have to go play in our little sandbox and be careful not to piss of the big boys.