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I met a nice young male Syrian refugee at a German train station two years ago, he told me he was going to Sweden. Syrians are now at the top of foreign crimina

I met a nice young male Syrian refugee at a German train station two years ago, he told me he was going to Sweden. Syrians are now at the top of foreign criminal suspects (15% of all incidents involving foreigners) (excluding violations of immigration law) in Germany, second are Afghans (8.4%), then Turks (7.8%, they were at 22.2% in 2009, by now most of them are counted as "German"). The total number of incidents involving foreigners has risen by 56% between 2015 and 2016. If you include violations of immigration law 40.4% of all suspects in Germany are now foreign, if you don't then it is 30.5%, ten years ago those numbers were 22.0% and 19.4% respectively, that is there has been a massive increase of suspected criminal activity by foreigners and violations of immigration law in particular. Lots more interesting information can be found here:(https://www.bka.de/DE/AktuelleInformationen/StatistikenLagebilder/PolizeilicheKriminalstatistik/PKS2016/pks2016_node.html;jsessionid=F7D7C4D0A3D503D6AA7F3CE32F55DA35.live0601 https://www.bka.de/DE/AktuelleInformationen/StatistikenLageb...).

Xylakant 9y ago
> violations of immigration law in particular. Keep in mind that crossing the border to apply for asylum is a violation in immigration law itself. It's not usually prosecuted but it appears in the stats. It's also a crime that can only be committed by foreigners. See the explicit mention of that fact in the report "Der Anstieg der Tatverdächtigenzahlen bei den nichtdeutschen Tatverdächtigen liegt in der hohen Anzahl der ausländerrechtlichen Verstöße (z.B. unerlaubte Einreise und unerlaubter Aufenthalt) im Zusammenhang mit Migrationsströmen begründet." (page 20, band 3) (edit:) Also, more generally, keep in mind that the PKS is a statistic of charges filed by and to the police and not a statistic of prosecutions or trials or convictions, making it of questionable value for most assertions unless carefully controlled. An uptick may in certain fields is often partially caused by an increased willingness to report to the police, a prime example is sexual violence: people are (rightfully) more willing to report sexualized violence since the stigma for the victim has become lower.
- orbifold 9y ago
  In numbers: Illegal entry 167.536, illegal residence 217.683. If you report your intention to seek asylum at the border that is not illegal. If you enter without permission this is indeed a violation, but according to the numbers it was not really prosecuted or even registered for much of 2015-2016.
  - Xylakant 9y ago
    It’s not prosecuted, true, but the PKS is not the statistics about prosecuted crimes, it’s about reported crimes. That’s all the police can track because it’s not the polices job to decide what’s prosecuted or not. And at least the Bavarian authorities have been reporting illegally entry. (Which is fine by me, it’s just very important to keep in mind what the numbers actually mean when throwing them around)
boards2x 9y ago
>> I met a nice young male Syrian refugee at a German train station two years ago, Fascinating how much statistical information you’ve managed just by meeting this single “nice Syrian”... and how strange that Germans that were born in Germany to parents who immigrated from Turkey are “Germans”. Reminds me of the good old “Der Stürmer days, and the stories there about people like my grandparents. Nothing much has changed but this wave of “nostalgia” is so heart warming. I live in Switzerland and know many Syrians and Lebanese. Beautiful, warm and hardworking people without exception. There are criminals and misfits in every society and their origins is less important, only emphasized according to the reporter’s agenda.

Xylakant 9y ago

> violations of immigration law in particular. Keep in mind that crossing the border to apply for asylum is a violation in immigration law itself. It's not usually prosecuted but it appears in the stats. It's also a crime that can only be committed by foreigners. See the explicit mention of that fact in the report "Der Anstieg der Tatverdächtigenzahlen bei den nichtdeutschen Tatverdächtigen liegt in der hohen Anzahl der ausländerrechtlichen Verstöße (z.B. unerlaubte Einreise und unerlaubter Aufenthalt) im Zusammenhang mit Migrationsströmen begründet." (page 20, band 3) (edit:) Also, more generally, keep in mind that the PKS is a statistic of charges filed by and to the police and not a statistic of prosecutions or trials or convictions, making it of questionable value for most assertions unless carefully controlled. An uptick may in certain fields is often partially caused by an increased willingness to report to the police, a prime example is sexual violence: people are (rightfully) more willing to report sexualized violence since the stigma for the victim has become lower.

orbifold 9y ago
In numbers: Illegal entry 167.536, illegal residence 217.683. If you report your intention to seek asylum at the border that is not illegal. If you enter without permission this is indeed a violation, but according to the numbers it was not really prosecuted or even registered for much of 2015-2016.
- Xylakant 9y ago
  It’s not prosecuted, true, but the PKS is not the statistics about prosecuted crimes, it’s about reported crimes. That’s all the police can track because it’s not the polices job to decide what’s prosecuted or not. And at least the Bavarian authorities have been reporting illegally entry. (Which is fine by me, it’s just very important to keep in mind what the numbers actually mean when throwing them around)

boards2x 9y ago

>> I met a nice young male Syrian refugee at a German train station two years ago, Fascinating how much statistical information you’ve managed just by meeting this single “nice Syrian”... and how strange that Germans that were born in Germany to parents who immigrated from Turkey are “Germans”. Reminds me of the good old “Der Stürmer days, and the stories there about people like my grandparents. Nothing much has changed but this wave of “nostalgia” is so heart warming. I live in Switzerland and know many Syrians and Lebanese. Beautiful, warm and hardworking people without exception. There are criminals and misfits in every society and their origins is less important, only emphasized according to the reporter’s agenda.