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True, and I'm pretty sure the reason's the same for Linux. Doesn't affect my opinion on the usability of the platform, though. For my part, I got my work to do

True, and I'm pretty sure the reason's the same for Linux. Doesn't affect my opinion on the usability of the platform, though. For my part, I got my work to do, so I ultimately ended up back on a Mac (yet again, ugh) because, for all Apple's recent problems, none of them bother me as much as things like, "I just flat-out can't use this app that I need without a microscope."

erikbye 9y ago
Regarding usability, been a little while since I've used macOS now, so sincere question: Is it still true that you need third-party software to do keyboard-based window management? Even just something as simple as Windows' Win+arrow keys.
- gargravarr 9y ago
  I think it is. I haven't dug much into Sierra, but there's no obvious window management options. I remember using BetterTouchTool on Snow Leopard to Mavericks which did the job very well, but I think you're correct in that there's still no native support.
- oneweekwonder 9y ago
  Like spectacle[0]? I'm not on the latest macOS but I believe you still need a app like this for macOS. [0]: https://www.spectacleapp.com/ https://www.spectacleapp.com/
- wlesieutre 9y ago
  Yes, still true. Lots of options though. Divvy, Spectacle, ShiftIt, Moom, Amythest, SizeUp, Cinch, Slate, Flexiglass, probably others. If you want something very configurable and don't mind writing some Lua, Hammerspoon is a fun utility.
  - theossuary 9y ago
    I'll throw Mjolnir in there too. As somebody who came from a pretty customized Awesome installation on Arch to Mac OSX, Mjolnir scratches that same itch. It allows you to completely script your hotkeys with lua, do grid based layouts, etc. https://github.com/sdegutis/mjolnir https://github.com/sdegutis/mjolnir
- lucasverra 9y ago
  spectacle works fine indeed, out of the box windows management for halfsys and quarter of the screens. Need more fancy ? http://www.mactrast.com/2017/04/review-mosaic-simple-window-managment-mac/ http://www.mactrast.com/2017/04/review-mosaic-simple-window-... --> cannot vouch as not installed yet
- ivanhoe 9y ago
  hell, you still need a 3rd party tool to do something as essential as middle click on the touchpad... but you install a few tools and tweak a few things and then it works wonderful...
monsieurbanana 9y ago
Your argument is insidious. You chose to use a Mac to avoid HiDPI problems, I chose to use a normal DPI laptop.
chimeracoder 9y ago
> Doesn't affect my opinion on the usability of the platform, though. For my part, I got my work to do, so I ultimately ended up back on a Mac (yet again, ugh) because, for all Apple's recent problems, none of them bother me as much as things like, "I just flat-out can't use this app that I need without a microscope." Well, at that point, you're no longer using 4K (even if you use a 4K external monitor, OS X doesn't render at that resolution by default). Incidentally, if you do try to render OS X in 4K, it looks horrible, for the exact same reasons. In my experience, the 4K experience is actually strongest on Linux, followed by Windows. OS X comes in last.

erikbye 9y ago

Regarding usability, been a little while since I've used macOS now, so sincere question: Is it still true that you need third-party software to do keyboard-based window management? Even just something as simple as Windows' Win+arrow keys.

gargravarr 9y ago
I think it is. I haven't dug much into Sierra, but there's no obvious window management options. I remember using BetterTouchTool on Snow Leopard to Mavericks which did the job very well, but I think you're correct in that there's still no native support.
oneweekwonder 9y ago
Like spectacle[0]? I'm not on the latest macOS but I believe you still need a app like this for macOS. [0]: https://www.spectacleapp.com/ https://www.spectacleapp.com/
wlesieutre 9y ago
Yes, still true. Lots of options though. Divvy, Spectacle, ShiftIt, Moom, Amythest, SizeUp, Cinch, Slate, Flexiglass, probably others. If you want something very configurable and don't mind writing some Lua, Hammerspoon is a fun utility.
- theossuary 9y ago
  I'll throw Mjolnir in there too. As somebody who came from a pretty customized Awesome installation on Arch to Mac OSX, Mjolnir scratches that same itch. It allows you to completely script your hotkeys with lua, do grid based layouts, etc. https://github.com/sdegutis/mjolnir https://github.com/sdegutis/mjolnir
lucasverra 9y ago
spectacle works fine indeed, out of the box windows management for halfsys and quarter of the screens. Need more fancy ? http://www.mactrast.com/2017/04/review-mosaic-simple-window-managment-mac/ http://www.mactrast.com/2017/04/review-mosaic-simple-window-... --> cannot vouch as not installed yet
ivanhoe 9y ago
hell, you still need a 3rd party tool to do something as essential as middle click on the touchpad... but you install a few tools and tweak a few things and then it works wonderful...

monsieurbanana 9y ago

Your argument is insidious. You chose to use a Mac to avoid HiDPI problems, I chose to use a normal DPI laptop.

chimeracoder 9y ago

> Doesn't affect my opinion on the usability of the platform, though. For my part, I got my work to do, so I ultimately ended up back on a Mac (yet again, ugh) because, for all Apple's recent problems, none of them bother me as much as things like, "I just flat-out can't use this app that I need without a microscope." Well, at that point, you're no longer using 4K (even if you use a 4K external monitor, OS X doesn't render at that resolution by default). Incidentally, if you do try to render OS X in 4K, it looks horrible, for the exact same reasons. In my experience, the 4K experience is actually strongest on Linux, followed by Windows. OS X comes in last.