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> there's no reason to wrestle with Linux any more. Unless one wasn't "wrestling" with Linux in the first place, because things tend to just work these days.

> there's no reason to wrestle with Linux any more. Unless one wasn't "wrestling" with Linux in the first place, because things tend to just work these days. > While Linux certainly works on laptops it doesn't work well. Wifi and battery life are absymal That's blatantly untrue. Given the right laptop, Linux is on par or excels. Given the wrong laptop, an install from scratch of the Windows operating system is likely to be far worse. > problems seemingly totally out of nowhere So problems that arose without any changes to the system? > there's nothing. Well, there's full access to your own system. > Drivers [..] are running in Windows Never run old hardware or peripherals? Because if you do Windows is a world of pain filled with drivers sourced from questionable download sites. I'll assume good faith here instead of astroturfing, but you might want to tone down the unwarranted praise of X over Y when describing your satisfaction with your current setup, especially when you're apparently not really familiar with Y.

sigi45 9y ago
I have plenty of experience with linux on laptops and windows. Yes it is very nice to have 1, 2 or even 5 Laptops which work with linux. Windows still runs on more devices, better. I had never the issue, that i had to sit it out that a specific bug came into the release cycle of a windows update but i had this 4 times in 3 years with arch linux. And i also have a strange experience with linux: One ssd does work flawless under windows and under linux it creates minilags of the whole system. While i like my linux machine and i use it daily @work and also daily @private laptop, it takes more effort and more knowledge than windows.
- rbanffy 9y ago
  > Yes it is very nice to have 1, 2 or even 5 Laptops which work with linux. It's been a long time I haven't seen a general purpose laptop or desktop that didn't work flawlessly with both Ubuntu and Fedora. The only one I have is the MacBook Pro in front of me, but it comes with a decent OS anyway. > Windows still runs on more devices, better. Can it delete open files now?
  - oblio 9y ago
    > Can it delete open files now? Does it matter? And how is this related to the rest of the discussion? :)
    - rbanffy 9y ago
      The open-delete-close pattern is common with Unix-like OSs. It makes temporary files invisible and inaccessible to any program that doesn't have them already open at deletion time.
- psy-q 9y ago
  > under linux it creates minilags Samsung 840 series? Well-known bug in their firmware. Update your firmware.
  - sigi45 9y ago
    Nope; Early intel SSD from 2009 when they were released.
AnIdiotOnTheNet 9y ago
Your comment doesn't fully implement the Linux Desktop Evangelism playbook. It's got variations of: "It works for me!" "You chose the wrong hardware!" "Well you can fix that because the source is available!" and "But Windows is worse!" But it's missing: "Try distribution #132!" "You don't actually want to do that!" and my favorite: "Maybe you're just too stupid to use it!"
- halbritt 9y ago
  How about these: Dual-booting on an XPS15. Running Ubuntu and Win10. I've had fewer problems with Ubuntu than Win10. Had a HiDPI version of the same laptop at the last gig. Both Windows and Linux had some issues which were easier to overcome. Windows definitely gets better hardware support. However, having my local "dev" environment be native Linux is glorious. No weird Docker issues. Python is legit. Don't have to mess with Homebrew.

sigi45 9y ago

I have plenty of experience with linux on laptops and windows. Yes it is very nice to have 1, 2 or even 5 Laptops which work with linux. Windows still runs on more devices, better. I had never the issue, that i had to sit it out that a specific bug came into the release cycle of a windows update but i had this 4 times in 3 years with arch linux. And i also have a strange experience with linux: One ssd does work flawless under windows and under linux it creates minilags of the whole system. While i like my linux machine and i use it daily @work and also daily @private laptop, it takes more effort and more knowledge than windows.

rbanffy 9y ago
> Yes it is very nice to have 1, 2 or even 5 Laptops which work with linux. It's been a long time I haven't seen a general purpose laptop or desktop that didn't work flawlessly with both Ubuntu and Fedora. The only one I have is the MacBook Pro in front of me, but it comes with a decent OS anyway. > Windows still runs on more devices, better. Can it delete open files now?
- oblio 9y ago
  > Can it delete open files now? Does it matter? And how is this related to the rest of the discussion? :)
  - rbanffy 9y ago
    The open-delete-close pattern is common with Unix-like OSs. It makes temporary files invisible and inaccessible to any program that doesn't have them already open at deletion time.
psy-q 9y ago
> under linux it creates minilags Samsung 840 series? Well-known bug in their firmware. Update your firmware.
- sigi45 9y ago
  Nope; Early intel SSD from 2009 when they were released.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 9y ago

Your comment doesn't fully implement the Linux Desktop Evangelism playbook. It's got variations of: "It works for me!" "You chose the wrong hardware!" "Well you can fix that because the source is available!" and "But Windows is worse!" But it's missing: "Try distribution #132!" "You don't actually want to do that!" and my favorite: "Maybe you're just too stupid to use it!"

halbritt 9y ago
How about these: Dual-booting on an XPS15. Running Ubuntu and Win10. I've had fewer problems with Ubuntu than Win10. Had a HiDPI version of the same laptop at the last gig. Both Windows and Linux had some issues which were easier to overcome. Windows definitely gets better hardware support. However, having my local "dev" environment be native Linux is glorious. No weird Docker issues. Python is legit. Don't have to mess with Homebrew.