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I develop for Windows, but I use Linux. I find Windows to be a hindrance (I've used it from v3.1 to 7, so it's nothing to do with unfamiliarity). Microsoft ma

I develop for Windows, but I use Linux. I find Windows to be a hindrance (I've used it from v3.1 to 7, so it's nothing to do with unfamiliarity). Microsoft may be trying to become developer friendly - but their OS certainly is not, and increasingly so.

pjmlp 9y ago
Some developers enjoy a graphical IDE worlds, keyboard shortcuts + mouse, not everyone feels likes developer == "UNIX user/CLI".
- jenscow 9y ago
  IDE vs CLI has nothing to do with it. Windows isn't the only OS that has a graphical IDE - likewise Bash is available on Windows. (all of my tools are available on both systems)
  - pjmlp 9y ago
    > IDE vs CLI has nothing to do with it. Sure it has, because it springs from the developer culture on each OS, and the main reason why good UI/UX research is so hard on GNU/Linux systems. It is always an uphill battle, as GNOME and KDE devs know about. Also note that I pair macOS with Windows on my list.
    - jenscow 9y ago
      Same could be said against Windows. Ever used Windows 8? "Everyone" hated it. Windows 10 has gone for the hybrid UI; both "modern" and traditional. At the same time. I'm not sure why you say it's hard for UI/UX research on Linux, when there are so many different desktop environments and toolkits - all(?) of which are theme-able. On Windows, you're stuck with one. Well, both.
      - pjmlp 9y ago
        Which is exactly the point of lack of good polished UI/UX on GNU/Linux. Hence ChromeOS and Android in what concerns consumer devices, where Linux just happens to be the chosen kernel but nothing prevents Google changing it for something else.
- dualogy 9y ago
  > Some developers enjoy a graphical IDE worlds, keyboard shortcuts + mouse Many devs using Linux do too. Every single one out of many many dozens of Desktop Environment and/or Window Manager combinations let you enjoy all these. Just a matter of familiarity. VS is certainly a neat IDE and always was since I first played with it ~17-18 years ago, but hasn't been the only player in a long time now. Unless you need to use every single feature and tool from its up-to-120GB of installation size (with everything selected) --- never met anyone who does..
  - pjmlp 9y ago
    Most Linux users are against nice UI/UX provided by GNOME, KDE, Anjuta, KDevelop, GNOME Builder, .... as seen by the complaints and forks. There is this culture of tiling window managers, vim, Emacs, everything done via CLI and UI/UX is a subject of interest only for dumb users. Which surfaces as the biggest one among its users. So anyone that cares about programming pleasant UI/UX workflows, hang with developers that share the same love for it, only has macOS and Windows dev cultures as harbor.
    - plupf 9y ago
      Many many Linux users are all for nice UIs, and pretty animations. Which is why GNOME, KDE, XFCE, MATE, Cinnamon, Budgie, Pantheon exist in the first place. The sheer amount, variety and quality of themes available for a typical Linux distro puts your point to rest.
      - pjmlp 9y ago
        What puts my point to rest is that the only successful Linux based consumer devices, are a web browser based OS and a Java based one, with nothing Linux specific exposed to its users or app developers.
Const-me 9y ago
I develop for both, but I use Windows. Until there're Adobe Photoshop & Illustrator for Linux, no professional UI development is possible on that OS.
- teisman 9y ago
  I use Linux, despite the absence of these essential tools. In my ideal world software vendors would start supporting Linux, and this is why I created SoftwareOnLinux.com - to create pressure groups and give vendors insights in the demand for their software on Linux. Would be cool if you'd show demand for Photoshop through this page: https://www.softwareonlinux.com/programs/8-adobe-photoshop https://www.softwareonlinux.com/programs/8-adobe-photoshop
  - dotancohen 9y ago
    I cannot sign up, I'm getting this error on submitting the sign up form: ": The response parameter is missing." Firefox 57, CentOS 7.3 desktop
- baldfat 9y ago
  > Until there're Adobe Photoshop & Illustrator for Linux There are plenty of great tools that really doesn't require these overly priced tools.
  - Const-me 9y ago
    I’m not a designer, I’m a programmer, I mostly use these to export to something else, and do some minor adjustments. But on input, I always getting .psd (raster) or .ai (vector) files, created by professionals. I’ve been developing software for 17 years, and this always was the case, regardless on the industry (desktop software, embedded, videogames), regardless on target platform (PC, mobile, embedded win or linux, game consoles). I know there’re other good tools, but I’m not in the position to force everyone else to stop using Adobe.
    - baldfat 9y ago

pjmlp 9y ago

Some developers enjoy a graphical IDE worlds, keyboard shortcuts + mouse, not everyone feels likes developer == "UNIX user/CLI".

jenscow 9y ago
IDE vs CLI has nothing to do with it. Windows isn't the only OS that has a graphical IDE - likewise Bash is available on Windows. (all of my tools are available on both systems)
- pjmlp 9y ago
  > IDE vs CLI has nothing to do with it. Sure it has, because it springs from the developer culture on each OS, and the main reason why good UI/UX research is so hard on GNU/Linux systems. It is always an uphill battle, as GNOME and KDE devs know about. Also note that I pair macOS with Windows on my list.
  - jenscow 9y ago
    Same could be said against Windows. Ever used Windows 8? "Everyone" hated it. Windows 10 has gone for the hybrid UI; both "modern" and traditional. At the same time. I'm not sure why you say it's hard for UI/UX research on Linux, when there are so many different desktop environments and toolkits - all(?) of which are theme-able. On Windows, you're stuck with one. Well, both.
    - pjmlp 9y ago
      Which is exactly the point of lack of good polished UI/UX on GNU/Linux. Hence ChromeOS and Android in what concerns consumer devices, where Linux just happens to be the chosen kernel but nothing prevents Google changing it for something else.
dualogy 9y ago
> Some developers enjoy a graphical IDE worlds, keyboard shortcuts + mouse Many devs using Linux do too. Every single one out of many many dozens of Desktop Environment and/or Window Manager combinations let you enjoy all these. Just a matter of familiarity. VS is certainly a neat IDE and always was since I first played with it ~17-18 years ago, but hasn't been the only player in a long time now. Unless you need to use every single feature and tool from its up-to-120GB of installation size (with everything selected) --- never met anyone who does..
- pjmlp 9y ago
  Most Linux users are against nice UI/UX provided by GNOME, KDE, Anjuta, KDevelop, GNOME Builder, .... as seen by the complaints and forks. There is this culture of tiling window managers, vim, Emacs, everything done via CLI and UI/UX is a subject of interest only for dumb users. Which surfaces as the biggest one among its users. So anyone that cares about programming pleasant UI/UX workflows, hang with developers that share the same love for it, only has macOS and Windows dev cultures as harbor.
  - plupf 9y ago
    Many many Linux users are all for nice UIs, and pretty animations. Which is why GNOME, KDE, XFCE, MATE, Cinnamon, Budgie, Pantheon exist in the first place. The sheer amount, variety and quality of themes available for a typical Linux distro puts your point to rest.
    - pjmlp 9y ago
      What puts my point to rest is that the only successful Linux based consumer devices, are a web browser based OS and a Java based one, with nothing Linux specific exposed to its users or app developers.

Const-me 9y ago

I develop for both, but I use Windows. Until there're Adobe Photoshop & Illustrator for Linux, no professional UI development is possible on that OS.

teisman 9y ago
I use Linux, despite the absence of these essential tools. In my ideal world software vendors would start supporting Linux, and this is why I created SoftwareOnLinux.com - to create pressure groups and give vendors insights in the demand for their software on Linux. Would be cool if you'd show demand for Photoshop through this page: https://www.softwareonlinux.com/programs/8-adobe-photoshop https://www.softwareonlinux.com/programs/8-adobe-photoshop
- dotancohen 9y ago
  I cannot sign up, I'm getting this error on submitting the sign up form: ": The response parameter is missing." Firefox 57, CentOS 7.3 desktop
baldfat 9y ago
> Until there're Adobe Photoshop & Illustrator for Linux There are plenty of great tools that really doesn't require these overly priced tools.
- Const-me 9y ago
  I’m not a designer, I’m a programmer, I mostly use these to export to something else, and do some minor adjustments. But on input, I always getting .psd (raster) or .ai (vector) files, created by professionals. I’ve been developing software for 17 years, and this always was the case, regardless on the industry (desktop software, embedded, videogames), regardless on target platform (PC, mobile, embedded win or linux, game consoles). I know there’re other good tools, but I’m not in the position to force everyone else to stop using Adobe.
  - baldfat 9y ago