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Supposedly, 1Password 7 for Windows will bring back standalone vaults to Windows. Since the hosted solution brings them the bulk of their revenue (I'm guessing)

Supposedly, 1Password 7 for Windows will bring back standalone vaults to Windows. Since the hosted solution brings them the bulk of their revenue (I'm guessing), it made sense to me for them to focus on the Windows upgrade with hosted accounts and I forgave them for it as long as 1Password 4 continued to work. I really hope that same attitude continues on with later versions of 1Password X. Starting out with accounts makes sense so long as they add standalone support later. I'm a patient person and beggars can't be choosers.

sulam 9y ago
You’re not a beggar, though. You paid for the product! Honestly as long as they don’t break the current version, I’m fine with what I bought. I have 1Password now on MacOS, iOS, Android, Windows — and I guess I can get it on my Linux box now if I want to pay a subscription.
- dkonofalski 9y ago
  Yes you are. You paid for a product that continues to work exactly the way it did when you paid for it. They're not obligated to give me new features to the product I paid for at no cost to me, especially when it's a from-scratch rewrite. That makes all of us beggars since what we paid for still exists and they're not taking it away.
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heartbreak 9y ago
> I'm a patient person and beggars can't be choosers. Is it begging when you pay $50 per license for the product?
- dkonofalski 9y ago
  Yes it is because you're asking to get the upgrade for free. The version you paid $50 for has standalone support and will continue to work exactly as it did when you bought it. Maybe that's a caveat of the SaaS/hosted model. I don't see why they should be obligated to give anyone the version with new features for free, though.
  - heartbreak 9y ago
    Likely because they’re giving other users who happened to start using 1Password later, new features for free.
    - dkonofalski 9y ago
      But those people will have to pay for the new version. They're not getting the upgrade for free either. They're either paying monthly for those features or they paid for the latest version that includes those features. You paid for the software you've been using the whole time that they haven't been using. I don't understand this attitude where users of old versions are entitled to full version upgrades for free.
  - bad_user 9y ago
    This line of thought is bullshit. When you buy a product you also buy it because: 1. you expect long term support 2. you believe in the company's values and business model 3. you trust that company to keep protecting your interests There are many more factors going into a buying decision than "current implementation has features X or Y". Many people are upset with AgileBits because when they bought 1Password, they did so believing that the company's strategy is aligned with them — i.e. at that time 1Password was THE offline password management solution, the other popular alternative being LastPass, a solution that relies on web interfaces and browser plugins and that has had vulnerabilities because of that. I should also remind you that by buying a software product, you don't actually own it, you're just licensing it — the difference between a one time fee and a subscription being one of contractual obligations on both sides. But that difference is irrelevant for the topic at hand, because you don't own the 1Password version that you bought, you cannot make improvements to it by yourself, it's not open source after all. When you buy a car for example, non-shitty / classic models at least, at the very least you are free to repair it and improve it by yourself. And while true that AgileBits has no contractual obligations to keep delivering updates to their standalone version, I personally couldn't give a shit about the scope of their contractual obligations. Because in society when interacting with other people, we also care about other things and we are free to associate or disassociate ourselves from other people at will and the same rules govern our interaction with companies as well. So when AgileBits no longer delivers a standalone Windows version, that's a serious reason for concern and a flag that we should look for alternatives. AgileBits is free to do what they want of course, but we can also vote with our wallets after all. And we are also free to complain.

sulam 9y ago

You’re not a beggar, though. You paid for the product! Honestly as long as they don’t break the current version, I’m fine with what I bought. I have 1Password now on MacOS, iOS, Android, Windows — and I guess I can get it on my Linux box now if I want to pay a subscription.

dkonofalski 9y ago
Yes you are. You paid for a product that continues to work exactly the way it did when you paid for it. They're not obligated to give me new features to the product I paid for at no cost to me, especially when it's a from-scratch rewrite. That makes all of us beggars since what we paid for still exists and they're not taking it away.
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heartbreak 9y ago

> I'm a patient person and beggars can't be choosers. Is it begging when you pay $50 per license for the product?

dkonofalski 9y ago
Yes it is because you're asking to get the upgrade for free. The version you paid $50 for has standalone support and will continue to work exactly as it did when you bought it. Maybe that's a caveat of the SaaS/hosted model. I don't see why they should be obligated to give anyone the version with new features for free, though.
- heartbreak 9y ago
  Likely because they’re giving other users who happened to start using 1Password later, new features for free.
  - dkonofalski 9y ago
    But those people will have to pay for the new version. They're not getting the upgrade for free either. They're either paying monthly for those features or they paid for the latest version that includes those features. You paid for the software you've been using the whole time that they haven't been using. I don't understand this attitude where users of old versions are entitled to full version upgrades for free.
- bad_user 9y ago
  This line of thought is bullshit. When you buy a product you also buy it because: 1. you expect long term support 2. you believe in the company's values and business model 3. you trust that company to keep protecting your interests There are many more factors going into a buying decision than "current implementation has features X or Y". Many people are upset with AgileBits because when they bought 1Password, they did so believing that the company's strategy is aligned with them — i.e. at that time 1Password was THE offline password management solution, the other popular alternative being LastPass, a solution that relies on web interfaces and browser plugins and that has had vulnerabilities because of that. I should also remind you that by buying a software product, you don't actually own it, you're just licensing it — the difference between a one time fee and a subscription being one of contractual obligations on both sides. But that difference is irrelevant for the topic at hand, because you don't own the 1Password version that you bought, you cannot make improvements to it by yourself, it's not open source after all. When you buy a car for example, non-shitty / classic models at least, at the very least you are free to repair it and improve it by yourself. And while true that AgileBits has no contractual obligations to keep delivering updates to their standalone version, I personally couldn't give a shit about the scope of their contractual obligations. Because in society when interacting with other people, we also care about other things and we are free to associate or disassociate ourselves from other people at will and the same rules govern our interaction with companies as well. So when AgileBits no longer delivers a standalone Windows version, that's a serious reason for concern and a flag that we should look for alternatives. AgileBits is free to do what they want of course, but we can also vote with our wallets after all. And we are also free to complain.