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Of course there is an answer to unbreakable encryption, the same answer to in person conversations at a private location: bug the location where the communicati

Of course there is an answer to unbreakable encryption, the same answer to in person conversations at a private location: bug the location where the communication takes place. You don't need a back door on communications if you are "looking over the shoulder" of someone as they type it in. If the person is a suspect, then they can get a warrant to plant a bug.

unabst 9y ago
There are plenty of options outside torture also. But the fear of unbreakableness is persistent, just as is those who believe torture to work or to be okay. The fundamental underpinnings of any related correct and incorrect behavior is still emotional though. And that is also why loaded words such as "terrorism" get the ball rolling fast, regardless of which way that ball is rolling...
nine_k 9y ago
You can say that taking a preventive action helps against anything. (Cue "Minority Report" by Philip K Dick.) The problem is that a preventive action usually hasn't been taken, but now, when a problem exists, they have something to do with it, and they can't. They want a built-in backdoor exactly as a preventive measure, a bug. The problem, of course, is that those breaking the law would still use the unbreakable version, the same way they use other illegal means, and the law-abiding majority will stay safely vulnerable.
LordKano 9y ago
Their complaint about this is that it's hard to do that. Well, that's good. I think that law enforcement SHOULD be hard. It should be hard and complicated and time consuming. One of the worst things I can imagine is idle law enforcement officers. Bored cops will find something to do. Whether it's going from car to car and ticketing anyone who is 12.1 or more inches from the curb or ticketing people for spitting on the sidewalk, no good can come from idle police. Idle prosecutors are every bit as much of a potential nightmare. We see District Attorneys being used as political weapons now. Just imagine if they had the power to go fishing through the electronic communications of every political rival. If the work is difficult, they'll only do it when they have reason to believe a serious crime has been or soon will be committed. It's easy to justify overtime for surveillance on a suspected drug kingpin, organized crime figure, rapist or murderer. It's not so easy to justify it to monitor some guy from a TEA Party Group, BLM or Occupy just so find out what they're doing.
- ironmagma 9y ago
  > Whether it's going from car to car and ticketing anyone who is 12.1 or more inches from the curb or ticketing people for spitting on the sidewalk, no good can come from idle police. So... enforcing our existing laws? What's the point of having those laws if they're never enforced?
  - LordKano 9y ago
    Reinforcing their role as revenue generators instead of peace officers.

unabst 9y ago

There are plenty of options outside torture also. But the fear of unbreakableness is persistent, just as is those who believe torture to work or to be okay. The fundamental underpinnings of any related correct and incorrect behavior is still emotional though. And that is also why loaded words such as "terrorism" get the ball rolling fast, regardless of which way that ball is rolling...

nine_k 9y ago

You can say that taking a preventive action helps against anything. (Cue "Minority Report" by Philip K Dick.) The problem is that a preventive action usually hasn't been taken, but now, when a problem exists, they have something to do with it, and they can't. They want a built-in backdoor exactly as a preventive measure, a bug. The problem, of course, is that those breaking the law would still use the unbreakable version, the same way they use other illegal means, and the law-abiding majority will stay safely vulnerable.

LordKano 9y ago

Their complaint about this is that it's hard to do that. Well, that's good. I think that law enforcement SHOULD be hard. It should be hard and complicated and time consuming. One of the worst things I can imagine is idle law enforcement officers. Bored cops will find something to do. Whether it's going from car to car and ticketing anyone who is 12.1 or more inches from the curb or ticketing people for spitting on the sidewalk, no good can come from idle police. Idle prosecutors are every bit as much of a potential nightmare. We see District Attorneys being used as political weapons now. Just imagine if they had the power to go fishing through the electronic communications of every political rival. If the work is difficult, they'll only do it when they have reason to believe a serious crime has been or soon will be committed. It's easy to justify overtime for surveillance on a suspected drug kingpin, organized crime figure, rapist or murderer. It's not so easy to justify it to monitor some guy from a TEA Party Group, BLM or Occupy just so find out what they're doing.

ironmagma 9y ago
> Whether it's going from car to car and ticketing anyone who is 12.1 or more inches from the curb or ticketing people for spitting on the sidewalk, no good can come from idle police. So... enforcing our existing laws? What's the point of having those laws if they're never enforced?
- LordKano 9y ago
  Reinforcing their role as revenue generators instead of peace officers.