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Firefox does NOT do any this, as far as I know. What is the source of this FUD? A public discussion was started to get to know how people felt about privacy co

by gcp 9y ago

Firefox does NOT do any this, as far as I know. What is the source of this FUD? A public discussion was started to get to know how people felt about privacy conserving telemetry collection that would be opt out by default. There was massive negative feedback (duh). The feature did not ship in 57. https://medium.com/georg-fritzsche/data-preference-changes-in-firefox-58-2d5df9c428b5 https://medium.com/georg-fritzsche/data-preference-changes-i... "instead we always collect LESS data on Firefox release."

kuschku 9y ago
> The feature did not ship in 57. But CliqZ did ship for some German users, randomly chosen. Which tracks your entire browsing history, and sends it to a company that’s most known for its tracking products. After this, Firefox deserves to be treated as just as much spyware as Chrome.
- jamiesonbecker 9y ago
  Why was this downvoted? I didn't know anything about this, but it seems (in)credible: "Mozilla pilots Cliqz engine in Firefox to slurp user browsing data" "Users who receive a version of Firefox with Cliqz will have their browsing activity sent to Cliqz servers, including the URLs of pages they visit," Mozilla says. "Cliqz uses several techniques to attempt to remove sensitive information from this browsing data before it is sent from Firefox." http://www.zdnet.com/article/firefox-tests-cliqz-engine-which-slurps-user-browsing-data/ http://www.zdnet.com/article/firefox-tests-cliqz-engine-whic...
- jovial_galileo 9y ago
  This is simply not true. They do not send the user browser history. Most data is processed on the client side https://gist.github.com/solso/423a1104a9e3c1e3b8d7c9ca14e885e5 https://gist.github.com/solso/423a1104a9e3c1e3b8d7c9ca14e885...
  - kuschku 9y ago
    Great, so it only transmits half of your search history without asking you. That's so much of an improvement for a browser which people only use because they want absolute privacy.
cJ0th 9y ago
> Firefox does NOT do any this, as far as I know. What is the source of this FUD? "Firefox by default shares data to: Improve performance and stability for users everywhere Interaction data: Firefox sends data about your interactions with Firefox to us (such as number of open tabs and windows; number of webpages visited; number and type of installed Firefox Add-ons; and session length) and Firefox features offered by Mozilla or our partners (such as interaction with Firefox search features and search partner referrals). Technical data: Firefox sends data about your Firefox version and language; device operating system and hardware configuration; memory, basic information about crashes and errors; outcome of automated processes like updates, safebrowsing, and activation to us. When Firefox sends data to us, your IP address is temporarily collected as part of our server logs. Read the telemetry documentation for Desktop, Android, or iOS or learn how to opt-out of this data collection." via https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/firefox/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/firefox/
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- gcp 9y ago
  I'm objecting to the fact that you are calling this a change and that it supposedly collects more data. My understanding is that it is the opposite. Much of the stuff that you list is the update check and the update checks for add-ons, CA revocation checking etc, all things that have always been on by default and that can now actually be disabled more easily. I have no idea where you pull the "this seems to include what URL's you're browsing; this could be a security risk for apps like Dropbox and OneDrive" stuff from. The only place I know of that these could potentially be recorded is a crash report, and this has always been the case if you allow it to send crash reports back because they contain the stack contents.
  - jamiesonbecker 9y ago
    You claimed that I was spreading FUD; rather than resort to ad hominem responses, please counter with facts. I'm happy to apologize if I am incorrect, but it appears that your information appears to be out of date: Telemetry was previously only enabled by default in Nightly and Aurora: https://blog.theochevalier.fr/telemetry-enabled-by-default-on-firefox-nightly-and-aurora/ https://blog.theochevalier.fr/telemetry-enabled-by-default-o... The telemetry data includes a lot more than just update checks. You wouldn't need to send information to Mozilla to get an update or get CA revocation lists. For example, from the privacy policy[1]: Firefox features offered by Mozilla or our partners (such as *interaction with Firefox search features* and search partner referrals). [emphasis added] Many of your comments are about Firefox, development with Rust, etc. I didn't mean to offend you if you are closely aligned with Mozilla. A healthy browser ecosystem (and especially the great new rendering engine from Mozilla) benefit us all. 1. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/firefox/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/firefox/
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kuschku 9y ago

> The feature did not ship in 57. But CliqZ did ship for some German users, randomly chosen. Which tracks your entire browsing history, and sends it to a company that’s most known for its tracking products. After this, Firefox deserves to be treated as just as much spyware as Chrome.

jamiesonbecker 9y ago
Why was this downvoted? I didn't know anything about this, but it seems (in)credible: "Mozilla pilots Cliqz engine in Firefox to slurp user browsing data" "Users who receive a version of Firefox with Cliqz will have their browsing activity sent to Cliqz servers, including the URLs of pages they visit," Mozilla says. "Cliqz uses several techniques to attempt to remove sensitive information from this browsing data before it is sent from Firefox." http://www.zdnet.com/article/firefox-tests-cliqz-engine-which-slurps-user-browsing-data/ http://www.zdnet.com/article/firefox-tests-cliqz-engine-whic...
jovial_galileo 9y ago
This is simply not true. They do not send the user browser history. Most data is processed on the client side https://gist.github.com/solso/423a1104a9e3c1e3b8d7c9ca14e885e5 https://gist.github.com/solso/423a1104a9e3c1e3b8d7c9ca14e885...
- kuschku 9y ago
  Great, so it only transmits half of your search history without asking you. That's so much of an improvement for a browser which people only use because they want absolute privacy.

cJ0th 9y ago

> Firefox does NOT do any this, as far as I know. What is the source of this FUD? "Firefox by default shares data to: Improve performance and stability for users everywhere Interaction data: Firefox sends data about your interactions with Firefox to us (such as number of open tabs and windows; number of webpages visited; number and type of installed Firefox Add-ons; and session length) and Firefox features offered by Mozilla or our partners (such as interaction with Firefox search features and search partner referrals). Technical data: Firefox sends data about your Firefox version and language; device operating system and hardware configuration; memory, basic information about crashes and errors; outcome of automated processes like updates, safebrowsing, and activation to us. When Firefox sends data to us, your IP address is temporarily collected as part of our server logs. Read the telemetry documentation for Desktop, Android, or iOS or learn how to opt-out of this data collection." via https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/firefox/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/firefox/

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gcp 9y ago
I'm objecting to the fact that you are calling this a change and that it supposedly collects more data. My understanding is that it is the opposite. Much of the stuff that you list is the update check and the update checks for add-ons, CA revocation checking etc, all things that have always been on by default and that can now actually be disabled more easily. I have no idea where you pull the "this seems to include what URL's you're browsing; this could be a security risk for apps like Dropbox and OneDrive" stuff from. The only place I know of that these could potentially be recorded is a crash report, and this has always been the case if you allow it to send crash reports back because they contain the stack contents.
- jamiesonbecker 9y ago
  You claimed that I was spreading FUD; rather than resort to ad hominem responses, please counter with facts. I'm happy to apologize if I am incorrect, but it appears that your information appears to be out of date: Telemetry was previously only enabled by default in Nightly and Aurora: https://blog.theochevalier.fr/telemetry-enabled-by-default-on-firefox-nightly-and-aurora/ https://blog.theochevalier.fr/telemetry-enabled-by-default-o... The telemetry data includes a lot more than just update checks. You wouldn't need to send information to Mozilla to get an update or get CA revocation lists. For example, from the privacy policy[1]: Firefox features offered by Mozilla or our partners (such as *interaction with Firefox search features* and search partner referrals). [emphasis added] Many of your comments are about Firefox, development with Rust, etc. I didn't mean to offend you if you are closely aligned with Mozilla. A healthy browser ecosystem (and especially the great new rendering engine from Mozilla) benefit us all. 1. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/firefox/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/firefox/

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