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I don't think so. How many people do you know who feel they are being treated well leave their companies?

by s73ver_ 9y ago

vinceguidry 9y ago
Happened to me. See my above comment.
- s73ver_ 9y ago
  So one instance. Yes, it's not going to be 100% retention. Nothing ever will be, unless you decide to bring back slavery. I asked how often does it happen. I can almost guarantee you that the retention rate of developers who feel they're being treated well is much, much higher than otherwise.
  - vinceguidry 9y ago
    Let's rehash your argument here. You think that companies that need skilled devs should train up junior devs instead of looking for skilled devs on the job market. Your answer to the retention issue that creates is "treat employees better." You don't understand why that's a bad deal for employers? You want them to take on all of the risk and get none of the reward. Look, I like the current system where you have to build the skills yourself and find some way to get into the job market. I was able to navigate that system and build a career in it. I look at the current code-school infrastructure as basically "easy mode." That's what we need more of. Companies still snap up code school grads like nobody's business. Asking companies to play the role of code schools is just way too much.
    - s73ver_ 9y ago
      No, I'm saying that if they're not able to find senior devs, that they should train junior devs. And I reject the idea that it creates a retention issue, unless you have no intention to treating those people well. "You don't understand why that's a bad deal for employers?" No, I don't, at least not for employers that respect their employees. It may be a bad deal for employers that don't, but for them, I really don't care. "You want them to take on all of the risk and get none of the reward." As opposed to now, where the employee takes all of the risk and gets no reward? "Look, I like the current system where you have to build the skills yourself and find some way to get into the job market." Yes, people who have been through hazing like the system of hazing and have no desire to stop it for the next class. "Asking companies to play the role of code schools is just way too much." I don't agree. But if that's the case, then they can stop complaining that there aren't enough skilled developers out there if they're not willing to help out.

I don't think so. How many people do you know who feel they are being treated well leave their companies?

vinceguidry 9y ago

Happened to me. See my above comment.

s73ver_ 9y ago
So one instance. Yes, it's not going to be 100% retention. Nothing ever will be, unless you decide to bring back slavery. I asked how often does it happen. I can almost guarantee you that the retention rate of developers who feel they're being treated well is much, much higher than otherwise.
- vinceguidry 9y ago
  Let's rehash your argument here. You think that companies that need skilled devs should train up junior devs instead of looking for skilled devs on the job market. Your answer to the retention issue that creates is "treat employees better." You don't understand why that's a bad deal for employers? You want them to take on all of the risk and get none of the reward. Look, I like the current system where you have to build the skills yourself and find some way to get into the job market. I was able to navigate that system and build a career in it. I look at the current code-school infrastructure as basically "easy mode." That's what we need more of. Companies still snap up code school grads like nobody's business. Asking companies to play the role of code schools is just way too much.
  - s73ver_ 9y ago
    No, I'm saying that if they're not able to find senior devs, that they should train junior devs. And I reject the idea that it creates a retention issue, unless you have no intention to treating those people well. "You don't understand why that's a bad deal for employers?" No, I don't, at least not for employers that respect their employees. It may be a bad deal for employers that don't, but for them, I really don't care. "You want them to take on all of the risk and get none of the reward." As opposed to now, where the employee takes all of the risk and gets no reward? "Look, I like the current system where you have to build the skills yourself and find some way to get into the job market." Yes, people who have been through hazing like the system of hazing and have no desire to stop it for the next class. "Asking companies to play the role of code schools is just way too much." I don't agree. But if that's the case, then they can stop complaining that there aren't enough skilled developers out there if they're not willing to help out.