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Good on Tesla for standing its ground and making its case publicly. Musk's pushback is nuanced and important. The establishment institutions outside of Silicon

Good on Tesla for standing its ground and making its case publicly. Musk's pushback is nuanced and important. The establishment institutions outside of Silicon Valley in America — the media and Capitol Hill — have united recently to spin a decidedly anti-civil rights narrative about large tech companies. Some of it is valid, but much is not, and relevant complexities and subtle moral distinctions are lost on a general public which only has the bandwidth to digest memorable headlines and themes. And what could be more complex and morally thorny than how to mediate social issues — particularly those involving race — in a highly visible tech company employing tens of thousands of people? Speaking for myself as a black tech co-founder, I agree with the cliffnotes of Musk's message entirely: those of well-represented groups should consider the challenges they never had to face, but no one from any group should have free license to be a jerk. And for god's sake: when you misrepresent facts to serve a handful of minorities you end up undermining all the other minorities.

abandonliberty 9y ago
>The establishment institutions outside of Silicon Valley in America — the media and Capitol Hill — have united recently to spin a decidedly anti-civil rights narrative about large tech companies. I think progressives are under attack. Hollywood, entertainment, and tech companies. I'm not arguing that bad behavior is acceptable and should be ignored. I'm just saying that, for example, removing health care coverage from millions of Americans is more important and hurtful than a homosexual grabbing someone's junk. It's happened to me a couple times, but sadly I wasn't offered a several thousand dollar watch afterwards to keep it quiet.
- RickS 9y ago
  You're being downvoted because you've fallen into a common but serious logical trap[1] The validity of racial tensions in silicon valley companies is due consideration completely irrespective of sexual assault or healthcare. Both are problems, but the size of B has no bearing on the size of A. [1] https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/155/Relative-Privation https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFalla...
  - abandonliberty 9y ago
    I explicitly stated: "I'm not arguing that bad behavior is acceptable and should be ignored." I am arguing that we're rearranging chairs on the Hindenburg. The question is, "Are we devoting effort to the issues in accordance with their size and impact?" I'm asking you to give 1 100th of a shit that you do about a closeted gay celebrity's past sex life about the vast fucking tragedies that continue to happen today in the USA - let alone across the world. But that's not nearly as fun as jumping on a bandwagon against a wealthy famous person, is it? You can even pretend to be a little bit of a feminist or racially sensitive. The facts call out the hypocrisy: IN VIRGINIA FROM 2004-2013: — Nearly 4,500 children were married. — Over 200 children married at age 15 or younger. — About 90% of the underage spouses are girls; and among the youngest spouses (15 or younger), there are 13 times more underage brides than grooms. — Children as young as 13 (and pregnant) were granted marriage licenses. — Nearly 90% of these marriages were to an adult spouse, and between 30-40% of those adults were 21 or older, and sometimes decades older. These figures shocked us, too: — 13: Number of children under age 15 married to spouses more than 20 years older — 25: Number of 15-year-olds married to spouses more than 10 years older — 47: Number of 16-year-olds married to spouses more than 14 years older http://www.tahirih.org/news/child-marriage-happens-in-the-u-s-too/ http://www.tahirih.org/news/child-marriage-happens-in-the-u-...
- cisanti 9y ago
  I doubt, since the liberals run the media. Also, it is extremely hurtful towards victims to say Hollywood is under attack, like they are the victims. Too many hypocrites there and shady things going on which doesn't mean the situation is dangerous regarding people being innocent and hung publicly.

abandonliberty 9y ago

>The establishment institutions outside of Silicon Valley in America — the media and Capitol Hill — have united recently to spin a decidedly anti-civil rights narrative about large tech companies. I think progressives are under attack. Hollywood, entertainment, and tech companies. I'm not arguing that bad behavior is acceptable and should be ignored. I'm just saying that, for example, removing health care coverage from millions of Americans is more important and hurtful than a homosexual grabbing someone's junk. It's happened to me a couple times, but sadly I wasn't offered a several thousand dollar watch afterwards to keep it quiet.

RickS 9y ago
You're being downvoted because you've fallen into a common but serious logical trap[1] The validity of racial tensions in silicon valley companies is due consideration completely irrespective of sexual assault or healthcare. Both are problems, but the size of B has no bearing on the size of A. [1] https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/155/Relative-Privation https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFalla...
- abandonliberty 9y ago
  I explicitly stated: "I'm not arguing that bad behavior is acceptable and should be ignored." I am arguing that we're rearranging chairs on the Hindenburg. The question is, "Are we devoting effort to the issues in accordance with their size and impact?" I'm asking you to give 1 100th of a shit that you do about a closeted gay celebrity's past sex life about the vast fucking tragedies that continue to happen today in the USA - let alone across the world. But that's not nearly as fun as jumping on a bandwagon against a wealthy famous person, is it? You can even pretend to be a little bit of a feminist or racially sensitive. The facts call out the hypocrisy: IN VIRGINIA FROM 2004-2013: — Nearly 4,500 children were married. — Over 200 children married at age 15 or younger. — About 90% of the underage spouses are girls; and among the youngest spouses (15 or younger), there are 13 times more underage brides than grooms. — Children as young as 13 (and pregnant) were granted marriage licenses. — Nearly 90% of these marriages were to an adult spouse, and between 30-40% of those adults were 21 or older, and sometimes decades older. These figures shocked us, too: — 13: Number of children under age 15 married to spouses more than 20 years older — 25: Number of 15-year-olds married to spouses more than 10 years older — 47: Number of 16-year-olds married to spouses more than 14 years older http://www.tahirih.org/news/child-marriage-happens-in-the-u-s-too/ http://www.tahirih.org/news/child-marriage-happens-in-the-u-...
cisanti 9y ago
I doubt, since the liberals run the media. Also, it is extremely hurtful towards victims to say Hollywood is under attack, like they are the victims. Too many hypocrites there and shady things going on which doesn't mean the situation is dangerous regarding people being innocent and hung publicly.