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Shouldn't he have been removed quite some time ago for violating the UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide?

yorwba 9y ago
Removed by whom?
- NaliSauce 9y ago
  I suppose that's one of the UNs weakness in that they lack the ability to enforce a lot of conventions.
  - camus2 9y ago
    And to put whom in power instead of him? It doesn't work.
    - NaliSauce 9y ago
      It's been done before by the UN: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodia#Vietnamese_occupation_and_transition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodia#Vietnamese_occupation... TL;DR: Regime in cambodia genocides about 1/4 of its population between 1975-79, is removed from power by Vietnam. UN helps recovery from destruction of society by previous govt & transition to new govt which after some initial chaos stabilizes. It's still not a proper democracy, but at least it isn't genocidal. Considering the extremely difficult circumstances (a genocide so bad that it destabilized society & vietnam being an authoritarian regime), I am actually impressed by what the UN managed to pull off.
  - netsharc 9y ago
    A world government with a force would be an interesting concept. Corrupt African states has lead to their citizens fleeing to Europe with EU solutions being band-aids like giving Libyan coast guard ships and money to prevent the ships from leaving Libyan waters, the better solution would be to fix corruption and help development in the refugees' home countries, but the EU governments can't do that, can they (giving the governments money would just mean the leaders would be able to afford a new villa and a few more Mercedes Benzes).
    - SomeStupidPoint 9y ago
      They could directly invest in infrastructure (coupled with suitably sized bribes, which can be kept to a small portion when done directly), which is what China is doing. But they'd get accused of colonialism if they actually tried to help directly like that (and perhaps it would be true). So they're left in the untenable position of dealing with mass migration or funding warlords.
    - WillReplyfFood 9y ago
      We had that- we called it colonialism. And for suggesting that you will be racismed.
    - pizza 9y ago
      How many Libyans go to Europe by boat..?
      - pjc50 9y ago
        Quite a lot: http://www.euronews.com/2017/06/26/more-than-30-migrant-boats-left-libya-for-europe-on-sunday-keith-walker http://www.euronews.com/2017/06/26/more-than-30-migrant-boat... Not all of them make it. The vessels aren't particularly seaworthy, and they're not allowed to dock, so effectively they dump their passengers in open boats and rely on the coastguard rescuing them and taking them to Italian soil.
  - mschuster91 9y ago
    It worked for those cases where US interests aligned with UN interests. For everything else, not so much.
    - varjag 9y ago
      There is no evidence that UN is a U.S. puppet. Russia used SC veto 7 times just in last 3 years. The last time USA has blocked any resolution was 2011.
      - mschuster91 9y ago
        What I meant is that military intervention backed by the UN is more likely when the US wants said military intervention.

yorwba 9y ago

Removed by whom?

NaliSauce 9y ago
I suppose that's one of the UNs weakness in that they lack the ability to enforce a lot of conventions.
- camus2 9y ago
  And to put whom in power instead of him? It doesn't work.
  - NaliSauce 9y ago
    It's been done before by the UN: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodia#Vietnamese_occupation_and_transition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodia#Vietnamese_occupation... TL;DR: Regime in cambodia genocides about 1/4 of its population between 1975-79, is removed from power by Vietnam. UN helps recovery from destruction of society by previous govt & transition to new govt which after some initial chaos stabilizes. It's still not a proper democracy, but at least it isn't genocidal. Considering the extremely difficult circumstances (a genocide so bad that it destabilized society & vietnam being an authoritarian regime), I am actually impressed by what the UN managed to pull off.
- netsharc 9y ago
  A world government with a force would be an interesting concept. Corrupt African states has lead to their citizens fleeing to Europe with EU solutions being band-aids like giving Libyan coast guard ships and money to prevent the ships from leaving Libyan waters, the better solution would be to fix corruption and help development in the refugees' home countries, but the EU governments can't do that, can they (giving the governments money would just mean the leaders would be able to afford a new villa and a few more Mercedes Benzes).
  - SomeStupidPoint 9y ago
    They could directly invest in infrastructure (coupled with suitably sized bribes, which can be kept to a small portion when done directly), which is what China is doing. But they'd get accused of colonialism if they actually tried to help directly like that (and perhaps it would be true). So they're left in the untenable position of dealing with mass migration or funding warlords.
  - WillReplyfFood 9y ago
    We had that- we called it colonialism. And for suggesting that you will be racismed.
  - pizza 9y ago
    How many Libyans go to Europe by boat..?
    - pjc50 9y ago
      Quite a lot: http://www.euronews.com/2017/06/26/more-than-30-migrant-boats-left-libya-for-europe-on-sunday-keith-walker http://www.euronews.com/2017/06/26/more-than-30-migrant-boat... Not all of them make it. The vessels aren't particularly seaworthy, and they're not allowed to dock, so effectively they dump their passengers in open boats and rely on the coastguard rescuing them and taking them to Italian soil.
- mschuster91 9y ago
  It worked for those cases where US interests aligned with UN interests. For everything else, not so much.
  - varjag 9y ago
    There is no evidence that UN is a U.S. puppet. Russia used SC veto 7 times just in last 3 years. The last time USA has blocked any resolution was 2011.
    - mschuster91 9y ago
      What I meant is that military intervention backed by the UN is more likely when the US wants said military intervention.