Yep. I love my late 2013 15" (typing on it now), but also use a late 2016. They're both great machines, and there were controversial things about the 2012-era m

Yep. I love my late 2013 15" (typing on it now), but also use a late 2016. They're both great machines, and there were controversial things about the 2012-era models at the time (soldered RAM, proprietary PCI connector for the SSD (I don't believe there was a standard for this at the time), no ethernet, the usual chiclet keyboard qualms, etc.) and that Marco doesn't mention those today actually bodes well for the latest design, I think. The USB-C transition is certainly painful right now, but he's glossed over many advantages of the current model too: - 3+GB/s (yes, gigabytes) storage speed - 10Gb/s USB (and 4 of them) - Thunderbolt 3 (and 4 of them) - Discreet GPU is standard (thank you Apple) - Touch ID on a Mac really is nice - Better screen (actually very low reflectivity for a so-called "glossy") - Better sound - Better cooling (and quieter indeed) - Does make the previous model seem thick and heavy to me, so we'll have to agree to disagree on that one - I like the keyboard, but it requires some adjustment for sure