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It is very much not the homeopathy of psychedelics. Homeopathic medicine is where you dramatically dilute the medicine to the point where there's no appreciable

It is very much not the homeopathy of psychedelics. Homeopathic medicine is where you dramatically dilute the medicine to the point where there's no appreciable amount of active medicine in the dose. There's some theory that the water molecules "remember" the medicine, or some such stupid bullshit. A microdose of psychedelics (for example, https://thethirdwave.co/microdosing-lsd-mushrooms/ https://thethirdwave.co/microdosing-lsd-mushrooms/) is misnamed. It's about 1/10 of a normal trip (a decidose?) Enough to feel buzzed, not enough to blast off into outer space. As a matter of fact, I took a microdose of shrooms an hour ago. I don't need to blind my dose, I can tell when I'm buzzed. I'm not arguing that it's noticeably improving my intelligence, performance, stamina, or anything, but it is most definitely making my afternoon more enjoyable.

tree_of_item 9y ago
> It is very much not the homeopathy of psychedelics. Homeopathic medicine is where you dramatically dilute the medicine to the point where there's no appreciable amount of active medicine in the dose. That is exactly what microdosing is. > A microdose of psychedelics [is] enough to feel buzzed No it isn't. If you've taken enough to feel buzzed then you took too much, according to proponents of microdosing. Here is a quote from a sticky on Reddit's /r/microdosing: > If you are feeling any changes that remind you even vaguely of tripping/being high, you've taken too much.
- tsomctl 9y ago
  Then there's several distinct schools of thought on microdosing. Read the link I posted above.
  - tree_of_item 9y ago
    The image in your link uses the term "sub-perceptual dose". How is that congruent with feeling a "buzz"? A sub-perceptual dose by definition is too weak to feel a buzz. If you could feel a buzz, it would be in your perception.
  - tree_of_item 9y ago
    Also from the comments on your link: > DevO on October 15, 2017 at 12:31 am > Niels, Micro-dosing is taking amounts too small to be psychoactive, but at the same time the substance still has effects that are beneficial in many different ways for different folks. Here's a quote from from James Fadiman, the person who came up with the whole idea of microdosing in the first place: (at https://sites.google.com/view/microdosingpsychedelics/faq-on-microdosing?authuser=0 https://sites.google.com/view/microdosingpsychedelics/faq-on...) > A dose that feels as if you are right at the edge of a psychedelic experience is too high. As far as I can tell, there is one school of microdosing, and you're not in it. I wish you were right, because the whole idea of "sub-perceptual" doses is obviously bullshit, but I'm not seeing it.
dragonwriter 9y ago
> Homeopathic medicine is where you dramatically dilute the medicine to the point where there's no appreciable amount of active medicine in the dose. That understates the ludicrousness of homeopathy. Homeopathy is dilution to the point where there is an extraordinarily low probability of even a single molecule of the active ingredient being in a dose, not merely no “appreciable” amount. And, yes, this is very different from microdosing, in which the dose used definitely contains the drug of interest, just at much lower than typical recreational dosing. Whether the latter has an appreciable drug related effects rather than placebo effects may be an open questio, but it's very different in nature from the former, which absolutely will not have such effects except due to massive fraud (i.e., not performing the stated dilution.)

tree_of_item 9y ago

> It is very much not the homeopathy of psychedelics. Homeopathic medicine is where you dramatically dilute the medicine to the point where there's no appreciable amount of active medicine in the dose. That is exactly what microdosing is. > A microdose of psychedelics [is] enough to feel buzzed No it isn't. If you've taken enough to feel buzzed then you took too much, according to proponents of microdosing. Here is a quote from a sticky on Reddit's /r/microdosing: > If you are feeling any changes that remind you even vaguely of tripping/being high, you've taken too much.

tsomctl 9y ago
Then there's several distinct schools of thought on microdosing. Read the link I posted above.
- tree_of_item 9y ago
  The image in your link uses the term "sub-perceptual dose". How is that congruent with feeling a "buzz"? A sub-perceptual dose by definition is too weak to feel a buzz. If you could feel a buzz, it would be in your perception.
- tree_of_item 9y ago
  Also from the comments on your link: > DevO on October 15, 2017 at 12:31 am > Niels, Micro-dosing is taking amounts too small to be psychoactive, but at the same time the substance still has effects that are beneficial in many different ways for different folks. Here's a quote from from James Fadiman, the person who came up with the whole idea of microdosing in the first place: (at https://sites.google.com/view/microdosingpsychedelics/faq-on-microdosing?authuser=0 https://sites.google.com/view/microdosingpsychedelics/faq-on...) > A dose that feels as if you are right at the edge of a psychedelic experience is too high. As far as I can tell, there is one school of microdosing, and you're not in it. I wish you were right, because the whole idea of "sub-perceptual" doses is obviously bullshit, but I'm not seeing it.

dragonwriter 9y ago

> Homeopathic medicine is where you dramatically dilute the medicine to the point where there's no appreciable amount of active medicine in the dose. That understates the ludicrousness of homeopathy. Homeopathy is dilution to the point where there is an extraordinarily low probability of even a single molecule of the active ingredient being in a dose, not merely no “appreciable” amount. And, yes, this is very different from microdosing, in which the dose used definitely contains the drug of interest, just at much lower than typical recreational dosing. Whether the latter has an appreciable drug related effects rather than placebo effects may be an open questio, but it's very different in nature from the former, which absolutely will not have such effects except due to massive fraud (i.e., not performing the stated dilution.)