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..oh. elsevier. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29102613 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29102613

by steanne 9y ago

Bromskloss 9y ago
What do you mean?
- romwell 9y ago
  The OP means that the publication appears in one of the Elsevier journals, and the link goes to an Elsevier-affiliated website. The OP provided a link that doesn't go to an Elsevier-affiliated website. Elsevier is an academic publisher that is a relic of a pre-digital world. Essentially, it leeches on universities, charging money for access created by academics,funded by the state, and peer-reviewed by volunteers for free. They justify their need to charge money by reasons such as hosting costs, but whenever someone tries to host their articles for free, they pull out the big guns. Such actions, in particular, led to death Aaron Schwartz (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz ). Elsevier is not liked around here. Speaking of resources that anger Elsevier by hosting articles for free, Sci-Hub is one. In particular, you can read the full text of the article by going to https://sci-hub.cc/ https://sci-hub.cc/ and looking up the paper's DOI (10.1053/j.gastro.2017.10.040). This full text is not available for free on the original publication link (nor on the NIH website). The study was funded by: the Extra Foundation Health and Rehabilitation, the Norwegian Celiac Association, the Throne Holst Foundation for Nutrition Research and the Wedel Jarlsberg Foundation - neither entity being Elsevier. (You can find this in the paper once you pay Elsevier to access it). So yes. Oh, Elsevier.
  - Bromskloss 9y ago
    But what does the link help?
    - tesin 9y ago
      "The OP provided a link that doesn't go to an Elsevier-affiliated website."
      - Bromskloss 9y ago
        Yes, what does that achieve?
        interfixus 9y ago
        Did you apply your moniker to yourself? [For the rest of the world: Bromskloss is Swedish for brakepad]. The link achieves access to the article without driving traffic to the parasites at Elsevier.
        romwell 9y ago
        Hah, interesting. Brake pad is a mild insult in Russian, used in the same way slowpoke is used in English online these days. I've always wondered which languages use brake pad (or any part of the braking mechanism) in the same way.
        interfixus 9y ago
        Yes, interesting, thank you. I've never heard bromskloss used that way in Swedish, but then, I'm Danish, and don't really know this neighbouring language from the inside.
        pizza 9y ago
        So that elsevier doesn't study user interactions, or that new users don't rely upon their services
        PeterisP 9y ago
        It helps remind people that Elsevier should be boycotted, everything that they provide should be avoided whenever possible, and provides an alternative that doesn't rely Elsevier nor make a false impression (by using their resources) that they are a relevant and useful part of the scientific process.

..oh. elsevier. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29102613 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29102613

Bromskloss 9y ago

What do you mean?

romwell 9y ago
The OP means that the publication appears in one of the Elsevier journals, and the link goes to an Elsevier-affiliated website. The OP provided a link that doesn't go to an Elsevier-affiliated website. Elsevier is an academic publisher that is a relic of a pre-digital world. Essentially, it leeches on universities, charging money for access created by academics,funded by the state, and peer-reviewed by volunteers for free. They justify their need to charge money by reasons such as hosting costs, but whenever someone tries to host their articles for free, they pull out the big guns. Such actions, in particular, led to death Aaron Schwartz (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz ). Elsevier is not liked around here. Speaking of resources that anger Elsevier by hosting articles for free, Sci-Hub is one. In particular, you can read the full text of the article by going to https://sci-hub.cc/ https://sci-hub.cc/ and looking up the paper's DOI (10.1053/j.gastro.2017.10.040). This full text is not available for free on the original publication link (nor on the NIH website). The study was funded by: the Extra Foundation Health and Rehabilitation, the Norwegian Celiac Association, the Throne Holst Foundation for Nutrition Research and the Wedel Jarlsberg Foundation - neither entity being Elsevier. (You can find this in the paper once you pay Elsevier to access it). So yes. Oh, Elsevier.
- Bromskloss 9y ago
  But what does the link help?
  - tesin 9y ago
    "The OP provided a link that doesn't go to an Elsevier-affiliated website."
    - Bromskloss 9y ago
      Yes, what does that achieve?
      - interfixus 9y ago
        Did you apply your moniker to yourself? [For the rest of the world: Bromskloss is Swedish for brakepad]. The link achieves access to the article without driving traffic to the parasites at Elsevier.
        romwell 9y ago
        Hah, interesting. Brake pad is a mild insult in Russian, used in the same way slowpoke is used in English online these days. I've always wondered which languages use brake pad (or any part of the braking mechanism) in the same way.
        interfixus 9y ago
        Yes, interesting, thank you. I've never heard bromskloss used that way in Swedish, but then, I'm Danish, and don't really know this neighbouring language from the inside.
      - pizza 9y ago
        So that elsevier doesn't study user interactions, or that new users don't rely upon their services
      - PeterisP 9y ago
        It helps remind people that Elsevier should be boycotted, everything that they provide should be avoided whenever possible, and provides an alternative that doesn't rely Elsevier nor make a false impression (by using their resources) that they are a relevant and useful part of the scientific process.