>And this is exactly why many schools of socialist thought see centralized state control, even in a democratic state, as generally private property; the particu

>And this is exactly why many schools of socialist thought see centralized state control, even in a democratic state, as generally private property; the particular workers whose labor is applied to the means of production have their control so diluted by other parties that the control is almost as completely alienated from them as in the case where they have no ownership. That's interesting to me, because a situation where the workers whose labor was applied to the means of production retain complete control seems like private property to me. A situation where the control of property is held by an agent of the commons doesn't seem private precisely because the commons includes people that have no ownership from applied utility. Essentially, it's as if no-one's labor has been applied at all and in those cases the resources belong to the public.