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Aside from the privacy / philosophy / openness / counterweight-to-monopolization-of-the-Web angles which Yoric mentioned, you might find we're actually better t

Aside from the privacy / philosophy / openness / counterweight-to-monopolization-of-the-Web angles which Yoric mentioned, you might find we're actually better than Chrome in some areas. Often small things, but I find I prefer the feel of Firefox to Chrome. - If you do frontend work, our CSS grid inspector is unparalleled https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Tools/Page_Inspector/How_to/Examine_grid_layouts https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Tools/Page_Inspecto... - Firefox has built-in tracking protection (https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2017/11/12/firefox-to-offer-tracking-protection-for-all-in-its-next-update/ https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2017/11/12/firefox-to-offer...) - Powerful add-ons like Tree Style Tab make managing large numbers of tabs much easier (https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/tree-style-tab/ https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/tree-style-tab/) - Our WebAssembly performance tends to be better - We should have better resource utilization when you have many tabs open - You can mute audio on a page clicking the little speaker icon in the tab If you want to contribute to the DevTools themselves, they're built using standard web technologies: HTML/JS, React/Redux, etc. https://github.com/devtools-html/ https://github.com/devtools-html/

Avernar 9y ago
> If you want to contribute to the DevTools themselves I wish I had the time. So I'll have to wait for someone else to add the element DOM properties tab in thr panel that has the style rules and layout. Firebug had it, Chrome has it. The right click and then Show DOM Properties with the results in the console pane is just painful to use.
aquadrop 9y ago
You've switched to multiple processes model, but you don't have "task manager" as Chrome. Do you plan to implement it in the future?
- Santosh83 9y ago
  about:performance is a somewhat similar substitute for now. You can see stats of the various processes and close or reload tabs.
  - 0x49d1 9y ago
    Yes.. Somewhat. For example can't see how extensions are doing from there.
- Yoric 9y ago
  Working on it right now, but no ETA yet.
  - chris_wot 9y ago
    Please, that's one of the most useful troubleshooting tools in Chrome.
  - aquadrop 9y ago
    Ok, thanks. I hope you make it even more informative than the Chrome's one :)
hudbuddy 9y ago
I tend to use Chrome for its devtools, but I'd add WebRTC support to the list of things Firefox excels at
Namrog84 9y ago
> - You can mute audio on a page clicking the little speaker icon in the tab Although I don't know if chrome has this on by default nowadays as I turned it on so long ago. But mute audio on per tab via speaker icon is available in chrome as well. in chrome://flags/ * Tab audio muting UI control If enabled, you can mute/unmute per tab via doing same thing.
- koot 9y ago
  Yes, it's been enable as default for a while now. But again firefox is awesome and the 57 version is simple blazing fast
patall 9y ago
especially TreeStyleTab is considerably weakend with the new update (like all extensions that now have to fit into less powerful webextension). From my point it is so bad (I lose 4 out of 6 regularly used add-ons) I am actively considering of leaving firefox for the better.
- anotheryou 9y ago
  What do you use? Some things are still a bit hacky, but it all comes together for me. I had everything packed, ready to move, but than came the ports :)
  - patall 9y ago
    To be honest I have not switched yet, but the changes I have seen in TreeStyleTab make me question why I should stay at firefox with that because I can get the features of the new TST in Chrome as well. Also I won't work with Colorful tabs anymore. Further I think I will miss some of the decapriated features in the Zotero update. (And I will have to find appropiate replacements for Leechblock and FireGesture)
    - aibara 9y ago
      Leechblock is updated. The developer made it into a separate add-on though. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/leechblock-ng/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/leechblock-ng...
    - uglycoyote 9y ago
      What "TST in Chrome" are you referring to? Tree-Style Tabs are one of the main things that keeps me using Firefox over Chrome. All of the Chrome Tree-style extensions that I have tried are these hacky things that use an external window.
johndoe489 9y ago
Front end dev here. The main issue I have for now is that whenever I hit CTRL Shift C to open the console, you can clearly see the thing draw itself for nearly one full second. It would be fine if it somehow cached, but if you close it and open again, same delay. Short of being able to optimize it soon, perhaps you could try buffering and displaying it at once. It would look less clunky and flimsy. That said I'm giving FF57 a run as my main browser, will keep using Chrome Dev Tools for now.
agentdrtran 9y ago
Tree-style tabs won't be around much longer.
- callahad 9y ago
  Tree Style Tab is available on Firefox Quantum and will be with us for a long, long time. Piro, the author, wrote an excellent article about his experience porting TST to a WebExtension: http://piro.sakura.ne.jp/latest/blosxom/mozilla/extension/treestyletab/2017-10-03_migration-we-en.htm#topic2017-10-03_migration-we-en http://piro.sakura.ne.jp/latest/blosxom/mozilla/extension/tr...
  - mistermann 9y ago
    I got the new Tree Style tabs installed, but I'm still seeing the standard tabs at the top, is there a way to hide those?
    - uglycoyote 9y ago
      I asked this exact question on Stack Overflow earlier today and found that someone else had already also asked it and got an answer. https://superuser.com/questions/1261660/firefox-quantum-ver-57-how-can-i-hide-the-horizontal-tab-bar-with-treesty/1261661 https://superuser.com/questions/1261660/firefox-quantum-ver-... (basically, hacking some CSS rules by creating a file in your AppData directory, so that the top bar is hidden) Incidentally, I also discovered that Tree Style Tab's settings page under Firefox has a nice little box where you can configure the CSS it uses, which was nice because I prefer it with a smaller font and less padding.
    - Sylos 9y ago
      What uglycoyote commented is the stopgap solution for now, but an API for doing that is in the works, so in a few versions from now, you shouldn't need that more-or-less hack anymore.
  - 0x49d1 9y ago
    Nice extension, but no search for tab option. For now I use Firefox built-in option to search for tab: open new one and start typing the title of tab, I want to find. The drawback: that search is VERY dumb and you have to exactly type the proper name, no fuzzy logic or smth at all.
phillc73 9y ago
> - Firefox has built-in tracking protection (https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2017/11/12/firefox-to-offer... https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2017/11/12/firefox-to-offer...) Is there a way to selectively unblock certain trackers on a specific page? I currently have the Tracking Protection set to Always and the block list on Strict. No problems yet, but I know there will be a few sites which won't correctly. Previously I always used Ghostery and there was a nice option to view exactly how many and which trackers were being blocked on each page. When viewing the blocked trackers, they could be selectively unblocked one at a time if required. This was handy to make some embedded video work, without necessary enabling Facebook tracking, which would occur if the whole page was unblocked.
- schuyler2d 9y ago
  Take a look at the eff's privacy badger add on, which let's you control each script/source on a per-page level
- JoshMnem 9y ago
  Try umatrix.
BuckRogers 9y ago
It also has toolbar RSS feed support. I've been using this since when Firefox was in beta (Phoenix) and it's a killer feature for me. I may use Feedly on iOS but desktop/laptop I love having the same feeds right on the toolbar. Chrome doesn't support RSS feeds in this way because there's no way to advertise with them. Always watch where the incentives run, Chrome is for Google's best interests, not the web's and not the user's. Always has been and always will be because it's a for-profit organization.

Avernar 9y ago

> If you want to contribute to the DevTools themselves I wish I had the time. So I'll have to wait for someone else to add the element DOM properties tab in thr panel that has the style rules and layout. Firebug had it, Chrome has it. The right click and then Show DOM Properties with the results in the console pane is just painful to use.

aquadrop 9y ago

You've switched to multiple processes model, but you don't have "task manager" as Chrome. Do you plan to implement it in the future?

Santosh83 9y ago
about:performance is a somewhat similar substitute for now. You can see stats of the various processes and close or reload tabs.
- 0x49d1 9y ago
  Yes.. Somewhat. For example can't see how extensions are doing from there.
Yoric 9y ago
Working on it right now, but no ETA yet.
- chris_wot 9y ago
  Please, that's one of the most useful troubleshooting tools in Chrome.
- aquadrop 9y ago
  Ok, thanks. I hope you make it even more informative than the Chrome's one :)

hudbuddy 9y ago

I tend to use Chrome for its devtools, but I'd add WebRTC support to the list of things Firefox excels at

Namrog84 9y ago

> - You can mute audio on a page clicking the little speaker icon in the tab Although I don't know if chrome has this on by default nowadays as I turned it on so long ago. But mute audio on per tab via speaker icon is available in chrome as well. in chrome://flags/ * Tab audio muting UI control If enabled, you can mute/unmute per tab via doing same thing.

koot 9y ago
Yes, it's been enable as default for a while now. But again firefox is awesome and the 57 version is simple blazing fast

patall 9y ago

especially TreeStyleTab is considerably weakend with the new update (like all extensions that now have to fit into less powerful webextension). From my point it is so bad (I lose 4 out of 6 regularly used add-ons) I am actively considering of leaving firefox for the better.

anotheryou 9y ago
What do you use? Some things are still a bit hacky, but it all comes together for me. I had everything packed, ready to move, but than came the ports :)
- patall 9y ago
  To be honest I have not switched yet, but the changes I have seen in TreeStyleTab make me question why I should stay at firefox with that because I can get the features of the new TST in Chrome as well. Also I won't work with Colorful tabs anymore. Further I think I will miss some of the decapriated features in the Zotero update. (And I will have to find appropiate replacements for Leechblock and FireGesture)
  - aibara 9y ago
    Leechblock is updated. The developer made it into a separate add-on though. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/leechblock-ng/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/leechblock-ng...
  - uglycoyote 9y ago
    What "TST in Chrome" are you referring to? Tree-Style Tabs are one of the main things that keeps me using Firefox over Chrome. All of the Chrome Tree-style extensions that I have tried are these hacky things that use an external window.

johndoe489 9y ago

Front end dev here. The main issue I have for now is that whenever I hit CTRL Shift C to open the console, you can clearly see the thing draw itself for nearly one full second. It would be fine if it somehow cached, but if you close it and open again, same delay. Short of being able to optimize it soon, perhaps you could try buffering and displaying it at once. It would look less clunky and flimsy. That said I'm giving FF57 a run as my main browser, will keep using Chrome Dev Tools for now.

agentdrtran 9y ago

Tree-style tabs won't be around much longer.

callahad 9y ago
Tree Style Tab is available on Firefox Quantum and will be with us for a long, long time. Piro, the author, wrote an excellent article about his experience porting TST to a WebExtension: http://piro.sakura.ne.jp/latest/blosxom/mozilla/extension/treestyletab/2017-10-03_migration-we-en.htm#topic2017-10-03_migration-we-en http://piro.sakura.ne.jp/latest/blosxom/mozilla/extension/tr...
- mistermann 9y ago
  I got the new Tree Style tabs installed, but I'm still seeing the standard tabs at the top, is there a way to hide those?
  - uglycoyote 9y ago
    I asked this exact question on Stack Overflow earlier today and found that someone else had already also asked it and got an answer. https://superuser.com/questions/1261660/firefox-quantum-ver-57-how-can-i-hide-the-horizontal-tab-bar-with-treesty/1261661 https://superuser.com/questions/1261660/firefox-quantum-ver-... (basically, hacking some CSS rules by creating a file in your AppData directory, so that the top bar is hidden) Incidentally, I also discovered that Tree Style Tab's settings page under Firefox has a nice little box where you can configure the CSS it uses, which was nice because I prefer it with a smaller font and less padding.
  - Sylos 9y ago
    What uglycoyote commented is the stopgap solution for now, but an API for doing that is in the works, so in a few versions from now, you shouldn't need that more-or-less hack anymore.
- 0x49d1 9y ago
  Nice extension, but no search for tab option. For now I use Firefox built-in option to search for tab: open new one and start typing the title of tab, I want to find. The drawback: that search is VERY dumb and you have to exactly type the proper name, no fuzzy logic or smth at all.

phillc73 9y ago

> - Firefox has built-in tracking protection (https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2017/11/12/firefox-to-offer... https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2017/11/12/firefox-to-offer...) Is there a way to selectively unblock certain trackers on a specific page? I currently have the Tracking Protection set to Always and the block list on Strict. No problems yet, but I know there will be a few sites which won't correctly. Previously I always used Ghostery and there was a nice option to view exactly how many and which trackers were being blocked on each page. When viewing the blocked trackers, they could be selectively unblocked one at a time if required. This was handy to make some embedded video work, without necessary enabling Facebook tracking, which would occur if the whole page was unblocked.

schuyler2d 9y ago
Take a look at the eff's privacy badger add on, which let's you control each script/source on a per-page level
JoshMnem 9y ago
Try umatrix.

BuckRogers 9y ago

It also has toolbar RSS feed support. I've been using this since when Firefox was in beta (Phoenix) and it's a killer feature for me. I may use Feedly on iOS but desktop/laptop I love having the same feeds right on the toolbar. Chrome doesn't support RSS feeds in this way because there's no way to advertise with them. Always watch where the incentives run, Chrome is for Google's best interests, not the web's and not the user's. Always has been and always will be because it's a for-profit organization.