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That shouldn't stop the companies from hiring untrained people to just work from them. But it would be nice if there was an "official" apprenticeship for young

That shouldn't stop the companies from hiring untrained people to just work from them. But it would be nice if there was an "official" apprenticeship for young people as a valid alternative to a college degree. And that shouldn't be some specific training for some random company, but lead to a comparable skill level so you can work everywhere in the country in that field.

Consultant32452 9y ago
>That shouldn't stop the companies from hiring untrained people to just work from them. Why does a wealthy incumbent need to be protected by having the state outlaw anyone from working without the wealthy incumbent's permission?
- Double_a_92 9y ago
  What? How is it stopping anyone from working or hiring?
  - Consultant32452 9y ago
    Why do I need to go through your state approved apprenticeship program, which is going to be managed by wealthy incumbents, for the privilege of being able to perform work I already know how to perform on the open market? You're requiring the poor to get permission from the wealthy in order to work. Why?
    - Double_a_92 9y ago
      16 year old kids already know how to be e.g. plumbers or electricians? Nice. And also you dont NEED to. You can just learn it yourself and then somehow convince potential employers that you got the skills. What is stopping you from doing that?
      - Consultant32452 9y ago
        Maybe you're not talking about the same thing Wahern is talking about. Question: Let's say I know how to snake a sewer line. This is the kind of thing a handy home-owner would be able to rent the equipment for at Home Depot and do themselves if they were so inclined. That's literally the only plumbing skill I know. Can I offer that skill for sale on the open market to customers without first getting the permission of the state (certification on completion of apprenticeship) or an employer who offers me an apprenticeship? Wahern is clearly saying that would not be possible. So that means that a poor person must get the permission of a wealthy plumbing business owner in order to sell their skills on the open market.
        Double_a_92 9y ago
        I'd say yes. But I guess you would have problems getting clients to trust you. After all if e.g. some "random guy" messes around with your eletrical cables your house could catch fire... Or water could leak into your walls...

Consultant32452 9y ago

>That shouldn't stop the companies from hiring untrained people to just work from them. Why does a wealthy incumbent need to be protected by having the state outlaw anyone from working without the wealthy incumbent's permission?

Double_a_92 9y ago
What? How is it stopping anyone from working or hiring?
- Consultant32452 9y ago
  Why do I need to go through your state approved apprenticeship program, which is going to be managed by wealthy incumbents, for the privilege of being able to perform work I already know how to perform on the open market? You're requiring the poor to get permission from the wealthy in order to work. Why?
  - Double_a_92 9y ago
    16 year old kids already know how to be e.g. plumbers or electricians? Nice. And also you dont NEED to. You can just learn it yourself and then somehow convince potential employers that you got the skills. What is stopping you from doing that?
    - Consultant32452 9y ago
      Maybe you're not talking about the same thing Wahern is talking about. Question: Let's say I know how to snake a sewer line. This is the kind of thing a handy home-owner would be able to rent the equipment for at Home Depot and do themselves if they were so inclined. That's literally the only plumbing skill I know. Can I offer that skill for sale on the open market to customers without first getting the permission of the state (certification on completion of apprenticeship) or an employer who offers me an apprenticeship? Wahern is clearly saying that would not be possible. So that means that a poor person must get the permission of a wealthy plumbing business owner in order to sell their skills on the open market.
      - Double_a_92 9y ago
        I'd say yes. But I guess you would have problems getting clients to trust you. After all if e.g. some "random guy" messes around with your eletrical cables your house could catch fire... Or water could leak into your walls...