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And it's impossible to put the tabs beneath the address bar, or to have actual toolbars. Decades of UI/UX knowledge, down the drain. Usability is gone.

by msla 9y ago

jrs95 9y ago
> toolbars Man, am I glad that UI/UX knowledge went down the drain
- dec0dedab0de 9y ago
  Toolbars are better than almost any alternative as long as they were honestly designed for completing a task. They got a bad rap because of all the spyware that average users were accumulating.
Kuraj 9y ago
> And it's impossible to put the tabs beneath the address bar I do not understand the significance of having the address bar above tabs from the UX perspective. If anything, I feel that it should be below so that it can appear as a part of the tab's content - because it's contextual (each tab has it's own "instance" of the address bar)
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stinky613 9y ago
> Decades of UI/UX knowledge, down the drain. Usability is gone. Exactly the opposite; this is an evolution that has been taking place over the past decade. Firefox has had tabs-on-top as the default since Firefox v4.0[1]. Chrome has had tabs-on-top for its entire existence (starting in Sept 2008); Opera had them before Chrome. The merits can be argued either way, but don't act like this is sudden or arbitrary; it's neither. Consider that maybe--just maybe--the dev teams at Mozilla, Google, et al. have done some usability studies in the past decade that informed these decisions. I get that you may prefer tabs below the URL bar, but your claims about the greater state of UX are baseless and absurd. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmgtW2Iw-kE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmgtW2Iw-kE posted June 2010 EDIT: Google made a comic for the release of Chrome 1.0 that includes an explanation of their original rationale for putting tabs on top. https://www.google.com/googlebooks/chrome/big_18.html https://www.google.com/googlebooks/chrome/big_18.html
- msla 9y ago
  De gustibus non est disputandum The idea that someone else can know what another wants better than the other person is absurd. Your arguments might be valid for defaults, but they must be configurable defaults, because taste is subjective, arbitrary, and, despite what some believe, never in error. I know what UX I want better than anyone else. Nobody can gainsay my personal taste.
  - walterstucco 9y ago
    Or maybe they just do and you're just wrong We don't have a configuration to put the clutch pedal on the right side Do we?
  - walterstucco 9y ago
    Besides, de gustibus non est disputandum doesn't mean what you think It means that is useless to discuss about other living being tastes, not that Mozilla should provide every single configuration you want In this case you're the Romans eating the asparagus with the butter in Milan while in Rome they preferred olive oil and Mozilla is the Milanese host serving you the butter asparagus In Italy we have a say: "you either eat this soup or you jump out of the window"
Mizza 9y ago
I've found a way to move the tabs below the address bar here: https://github.com/Isaac-Newt/userChrome-styles https://github.com/Isaac-Newt/userChrome-styles
- msla 9y ago
  Thank you for helping me.
johnpowell 9y ago
It took a bit of work but I was able to get it pretty close to how I had it before. https://i.imgur.com/qygcIv4.png https://i.imgur.com/qygcIv4.png I used the light theme and density = compact and enabled the title bar. And then I followed the instructions on this reddit thread to put the tabs on the bottom and the bookmarks above the tabs. https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/6x2tmz/can_i_have_tabs_on_bottom_and_bookmarks_above/ https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/6x2tmz/can_i_have_... I also added a little CSS to space things out a little.
- msla 9y ago
  Thank you for helping me instead of acting like you know better.
dralley 9y ago
Tabs on top makes far more UI sense than tabs on bottom. I wish I could find a full-size screenshot of this, but here: http://news.mynavi.jp/articles/2010/06/29/firefox-tabs-on-top/images/003.jpg http://news.mynavi.jp/articles/2010/06/29/firefox-tabs-on-to... Green is "page-controlling UI", Magenta is "browser-controlling UI".

And it's impossible to put the tabs beneath the address bar, or to have actual toolbars. Decades of UI/UX knowledge, down the drain. Usability is gone.

by msla 9y ago

And it's impossible to put the tabs beneath the address bar, or to have actual toolbars. Decades of UI/UX knowledge, down the drain. Usability is gone.

jrs95 9y ago

> toolbars Man, am I glad that UI/UX knowledge went down the drain

dec0dedab0de 9y ago
Toolbars are better than almost any alternative as long as they were honestly designed for completing a task. They got a bad rap because of all the spyware that average users were accumulating.

Kuraj 9y ago

> And it's impossible to put the tabs beneath the address bar I do not understand the significance of having the address bar above tabs from the UX perspective. If anything, I feel that it should be below so that it can appear as a part of the tab's content - because it's contextual (each tab has it's own "instance" of the address bar)

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stinky613 9y ago

> Decades of UI/UX knowledge, down the drain. Usability is gone. Exactly the opposite; this is an evolution that has been taking place over the past decade. Firefox has had tabs-on-top as the default since Firefox v4.0[1]. Chrome has had tabs-on-top for its entire existence (starting in Sept 2008); Opera had them before Chrome. The merits can be argued either way, but don't act like this is sudden or arbitrary; it's neither. Consider that maybe--just maybe--the dev teams at Mozilla, Google, et al. have done some usability studies in the past decade that informed these decisions. I get that you may prefer tabs below the URL bar, but your claims about the greater state of UX are baseless and absurd. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmgtW2Iw-kE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmgtW2Iw-kE posted June 2010 EDIT: Google made a comic for the release of Chrome 1.0 that includes an explanation of their original rationale for putting tabs on top. https://www.google.com/googlebooks/chrome/big_18.html https://www.google.com/googlebooks/chrome/big_18.html

msla 9y ago
De gustibus non est disputandum The idea that someone else can know what another wants better than the other person is absurd. Your arguments might be valid for defaults, but they must be configurable defaults, because taste is subjective, arbitrary, and, despite what some believe, never in error. I know what UX I want better than anyone else. Nobody can gainsay my personal taste.
- walterstucco 9y ago
  Or maybe they just do and you're just wrong We don't have a configuration to put the clutch pedal on the right side Do we?
- walterstucco 9y ago
  Besides, de gustibus non est disputandum doesn't mean what you think It means that is useless to discuss about other living being tastes, not that Mozilla should provide every single configuration you want In this case you're the Romans eating the asparagus with the butter in Milan while in Rome they preferred olive oil and Mozilla is the Milanese host serving you the butter asparagus In Italy we have a say: "you either eat this soup or you jump out of the window"

Mizza 9y ago

I've found a way to move the tabs below the address bar here: https://github.com/Isaac-Newt/userChrome-styles https://github.com/Isaac-Newt/userChrome-styles

msla 9y ago
Thank you for helping me.

johnpowell 9y ago

It took a bit of work but I was able to get it pretty close to how I had it before. https://i.imgur.com/qygcIv4.png https://i.imgur.com/qygcIv4.png I used the light theme and density = compact and enabled the title bar. And then I followed the instructions on this reddit thread to put the tabs on the bottom and the bookmarks above the tabs. https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/6x2tmz/can_i_have_tabs_on_bottom_and_bookmarks_above/ https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/6x2tmz/can_i_have_... I also added a little CSS to space things out a little.

msla 9y ago
Thank you for helping me instead of acting like you know better.

dralley 9y ago

Tabs on top makes far more UI sense than tabs on bottom. I wish I could find a full-size screenshot of this, but here: http://news.mynavi.jp/articles/2010/06/29/firefox-tabs-on-top/images/003.jpg http://news.mynavi.jp/articles/2010/06/29/firefox-tabs-on-to... Green is "page-controlling UI", Magenta is "browser-controlling UI".