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I just upgraded. It completely changes the chrome of the browser on OSX and it is _absolutely hideous_. There are a lots of unnecessary animations that I find v
by Mizza 9y ago
I just upgraded. It completely changes the chrome of the browser on OSX and it is _absolutely hideous_. There are a lots of unnecessary animations that I find very jarring. I don't know if there's a way to change it back yet.
UPDATE: There is a "Customize Firefox" button which allows modifying the theme, which fixes the colors, but not the shape of the tabs or the animations.
UPDATE: In about:config, you can disable some of the animations with `toolkit.cosmeticAnimations.enabled: false`
UPDATE: You can bring back curved tabs with this: https://github.com/wilfredwee/photon-australis https://github.com/wilfredwee/photon-australis
- KozmoNau7 9y agoDo you have any specific examples?
- Mizza 9y agoWhen you click on a new link, there is an "explosion" animation on the tab where it turns entirely blue for a second. This happens every time you click a link. I'm finding this extremely distracting. I'm sensitive to this kind of stuff so I always try to disable animations on everything I can. The top bar is also black-ish now rather than the system grey. This looks particularly bad with the new "blue" highlight indicator. The tabs are all square rather than rounded. It all looks pretty hideous.
- Exuma 9y agoYou mean the blue loading indicator?
- Mizza 9y agoNo, the active tab now has a blue stripe on it. Every tab has an animation of a darker stripe swooshing in at the top when you hover over it.
- WD-42 9y agoYou can change the theme to "light" in preferences. If should get rid of the black bar. This has been a common complaint from osx users.
- jventura 9y agoCan't seem to find where it is in firefox preferences. Could you please extend your solution?
- Mizza 9y agoThis got me too. It's not in preferences, you have to use the hamburger menu thingy. Then, it's shoved randomly at the bottom. The overall design is really a mess in 57, although browsing does seem faster.
- cpeterso 9y agoYou can also switch themes in the Add-ons Manager: about:addons
- masterleep 9y agoPretty weird to put it there instead of Preferences.
- mhandley 9y agoUse the hamburger menu, select "Customize", and it's at the bottom of the screen.
- FnuGk 9y agoFound by going to Tools->Add-Ons and then clicking Themes
- tvon 9y agoFWIW, the tab shows the loading progress in blue, so you're seeing the result of quick page loads. Not arguing your experience, just clarifying what is happening. You might like the "Light" theme, which I think is available by default. That won't do any rounding for you, however.
- KozmoNau7 9y agoNo, it's actually a "this page has finished loading" animation. Personally I like it, but of course taste varies.
- Indolat 9y ago> Do you have any specific examples? Labels of background tabs became very transparent. This makes them completely unreadable, as my desktop background is quite dark. So, these tab labels are written with black letters on a dark blue background. So freaking good usability! /s
- KozmoNau7 9y agoSwitch to the "light" theme in the customization options. It looks better.
- alexandrerond 9y agoYears of work to make Firefox the fastest browser. Countless research and engineering hours. With actual amazing, noticeable results as soon as you try it. With a bunch of useful UI features. "But tabs aren't curved, so fuck these guys! I won't upgrade!" Oh well...
- Romanulus 9y agoIt's broke! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W5XXnEXuWM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W5XXnEXuWM
- MadWombat 9y agoI didn't have any complaints about speed. Who actually cares about browser speed? But I do care that suddenly, my browser looks completely different, half the functionality I use is missing and there is no way for me to get it back. The fact that this happened as an automatic upgrade without as much as asking me whether or not I want it to happen is not exactly a winning point either. Edit: It seems that I was too hasty with my "who cares about speed" question. Apparently a lot of people do. I guess I just never found FF that much slower than other browsers. If it takes a second or two longer to load some page it is just not important to me.
- Barrin92 9y ago>Who actually cares about browser speed? I do. I can't use a browser that does not feel snappy. I couldn't care less about whether tab edges are round or not.
- coldtea 9y ago>Who actually cares about browser speed? Millions of people who've switched to Chrome. Including hundreds that have said as much in HN comments over the last 5 years.
- kk_cz 9y agogreat. let them use Chrome then. FF was strong in customization. I don't care if site refresh takes 20ms or 50ms - I can't notice. I do care very much if you break all of my current extensions and as a result the UI behavior I was used to is gone. It's like being forced to switch to a completely new browsers. If I wanted different browser I could have switched to Chrome years ago, thank you very much. Customization is much more important than speed.
- jrs95 9y agoI think it looks and feels much better than before.
- Indolat 9y agoI think the new design is absolutely horrible.
- 0xTJ 9y agoI strongly disagree, and FF 58 is even better.
- Indolat 9y agoWell... it seems that disagreeing to the opinion of the crowd is a very bad thing. /s
- tempestn 9y agoI actually agree with you on a few fronts. 1) by default tabs are now white on a white background, with the active tab only being a slightly darker grey. 2) Everything is much more crammed together (tabs and bookmarks toolbar especially) which makes sense on a small laptop monitor, but on my desktop is just annoying. 3) Dialog boxes to confirm closing of multiple tabs have white text on grey background. (?!) 4) Folder icons in bookmarks toolbar now have this retro black and grey design. 5) Tabs are at the top of the window with no gap, even when not maximized, making window dragging more difficult. In many ways it feels like a throwback to much older designs.
- JonathonW 9y agoWhat OS are you on? The default style on Windows takes your system title bar color (or a dark blue if you don't have Windows set to show the system accent color on title bars); the default style on OSX uses a dark translucent background. Both use light gray tabs and a light gray toolbar background. If you've migrated from a previous version of Firefox and customized the browser at all, you may not be getting the default settings, though-- right-click the toolbar or Bookmarks Bar, and take a look through the options at the bottom of the page. Themes will give you an option between the default, light, and dark themes (it sounds like you're stuck on the light one); density adjusts spacing in the toolbar area. And you can check "Drag Space" to add space above the tab bar for dragging, or check "Title Bar" to turn the system title bar back on.
- seanalltogether 9y agoI'm a bit annoyed by the dark header bar now, they previously only used that for private windows, now it appears they use it for both.
- gschier 9y agoYou can change it to "light" in the prefs :)
- seanalltogether 9y agoYeah I just tried that and it changes the private window to light as well. I guess it doesn't matter much cause i don't use private much, but it's weird they have removed that distinction now.
- bribroder 9y agoIn Firefox private mode you will always see a purple icon with a white face mask in the top right corner
- kbrosnan 9y agoIf "Firefox will Never remember history" is set in the settings then the icon will not be present.
- callahad 9y agoIf you want that kind of distinction, it should be pretty trivial (less than a dozen lines of code) to implement a dynamic theme to that effect. We've got an article in the https://hacks.mozilla.org https://hacks.mozilla.org queue about exactly that -- stay tuned :)
- callahad 9y agoHere's an add-on that does exactly that: https://github.com/mdn/webextensions-examples/tree/master/private-browsing-theme https://github.com/mdn/webextensions-examples/tree/master/pr... It's not currently packaged and uploaded to addons.mozilla.org, but you can try it by cloning the repo, navigating to `about:debugging,` and clicking "Load Temporary Add-on." Select the `manifest.json` file and you're good to go.
- syphilis2 9y agoThank you for sharing how to disable the blue flash when opening new tabs. I have the same complaints you do, though I'm running Windows 7. I also notice now that when I close a tab the screen flashes white. This is very distracting when closing a tab with a dark background.
- msla 9y agoAnd it's impossible to put the tabs beneath the address bar, or to have actual toolbars. Decades of UI/UX knowledge, down the drain. Usability is gone.
- jrs95 9y ago> toolbars Man, am I glad that UI/UX knowledge went down the drain
- dec0dedab0de 9y agoToolbars are better than almost any alternative as long as they were honestly designed for completing a task. They got a bad rap because of all the spyware that average users were accumulating.
- Kuraj 9y ago> And it's impossible to put the tabs beneath the address bar I do not understand the significance of having the address bar above tabs from the UX perspective. If anything, I feel that it should be below so that it can appear as a part of the tab's content - because it's contextual (each tab has it's own "instance" of the address bar)
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- stinky613 9y ago> Decades of UI/UX knowledge, down the drain. Usability is gone. Exactly the opposite; this is an evolution that has been taking place over the past decade. Firefox has had tabs-on-top as the default since Firefox v4.0[1]. Chrome has had tabs-on-top for its entire existence (starting in Sept 2008); Opera had them before Chrome. The merits can be argued either way, but don't act like this is sudden or arbitrary; it's neither. Consider that maybe--just maybe--the dev teams at Mozilla, Google, et al. have done some usability studies in the past decade that informed these decisions. I get that you may prefer tabs below the URL bar, but your claims about the greater state of UX are baseless and absurd. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmgtW2Iw-kE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmgtW2Iw-kE posted June 2010 EDIT: Google made a comic for the release of Chrome 1.0 that includes an explanation of their original rationale for putting tabs on top. https://www.google.com/googlebooks/chrome/big_18.html https://www.google.com/googlebooks/chrome/big_18.html
- dtech 9y agoI haven't used Firefox for years, and to me it felt very natural and smooth on OS X when I tried the new version today.
- masterleep 9y agoThe loading animations are really distracting and bad. Some better UI to disable them (or ideally just get rid of them by default) is needed.
- callahad 9y agoIf you dislike them, you can disable those kinds of animations by toggling `toolkit.cosmeticAnimations.enabled` in `about:config`
- masterleep 9y agoThere's a big scary warning about making any changes in about:config, so I'm reluctant to do so.
- ChrisGranger 9y agoChanging a single about:config setting is pretty harmless (you can just reverse the process if you need to), and callahad is a Mozilla employee. You can do it without worry.
- sturmen 9y agoI think the look is a great improvement.
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- oliv__ 9y agoWas thinking of upgrading...until now. Can anyone post a screenshot?
- oatmealsnap 9y agoTry clicking the link..
- callahad 9y agoPlenty of screenshots at https://mozilla.org/firefox/ https://mozilla.org/firefox/, but I'd suggest giving it a shot yourself. Lots of work went into cleaning up the UI, adding appropriate, subtle animations, etc. On macOS, the titlebar and sidebars use platform's "vibrancy" effects, etc.
- masterleep 9y agoI wish the animations were more subtle!
- confounded 9y agoI had a very customized UI for Firefox, and was pretty upset by that going away. But after an afternoon with the dark theme I forgot all about it, and am now vastly happier. Give it a good go! :)
- wingworks 9y agoI actually like the new design, the one thing that I do still miss is the elastic scrolling at the top/bottom of pages that Safari and Chrome have (and every other Mac app that you can scroll in). Just doesn't feel like a native Mac app.