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> iPhones shove updates down your throat as a user. And we have the monster that was Windows XP because of users thinking "updates" are "forced" down throats.

by urda 9y ago

> iPhones shove updates down your throat as a user. And we have the monster that was Windows XP because of users thinking "updates" are "forced" down throats. iOS is correctly celebrated for having such a high adoption of the "latest and greatest", and certainly hasn't become the demon that is the unpatched Android landscape. So thankfully, from NetSec to the end user, it's a fantastic thing that iOS keeps devices more up to date than android.

dilap 9y ago
I agree, but it is true that newer updates dramatically slow down older hardware.
- aaronbrethorst 9y ago
  Backup, wipe, and reinstall.
  - Yizahi 9y ago
    In some cases it doesn't help. E.g. iOS 7 update for iPad2, iPhone 4/4S etc.
    - dep_b 9y ago
      iOS 7 was pretty rough on anything slower than an iPhone 5
- ben_w 9y ago
  I thought this had been tested recently and shown not true? A psychological illusion or something? I’ve never noticed any significant, let alone dramatic, speed change on any given device from iOS 3 on the original iPad onwards.
  - majani 9y ago
    Apps that represent light websites like Google and Facebook are now 300mb+. With such memory hogging updates, few people with older phones are going to update.
    - ben_w 9y ago
      Size is not speed.
      - mgkimsal 9y ago
        True, but... Older hardware has older chips (and possibly slower memory) so... a larger size alone would still likely have an actual processing speed impact, no? The newer OS and app versions are developed with chip/memory speed "XYZ" in mind, and that's the target they aim for. That the OS does run on older hardware is great, but if your memory size goes up 2-3 times for apps, I can not imagine that there's 0 speed impact.
        iainmerrick 9y ago
        Aren't you confusing apps and the OS here? Apps are definitely bigger and slower, but that's separate from whether the OS is faster or slower. Anecdotally (and I agree) iOS 11 is slower than 10 for many of the same tasks -- things like switching apps, opening the camera, opening the keyboard.
  - m_st 9y ago
    They tested the performance of the hardware (CPU, GPU, etc), not of the APIs or updated apps. So the CPU and GPU of my iPhone 6 are just as fast as when they were released. But I can guarantee you that the camera app as well as a lot of third party apps aren't as fast as they were when I bought the phone.
  - iainmerrick 9y ago
    I thought it was a myth too, but iOS 11 is undeniably much slower for me. And I don't understand why, as it doesn't seem like it adds many features. There's a new filesystem, but shouldn't that be faster, not slower?

by urda 9y ago

dilap 9y ago

I agree, but it is true that newer updates dramatically slow down older hardware.

aaronbrethorst 9y ago
Backup, wipe, and reinstall.
- Yizahi 9y ago
  In some cases it doesn't help. E.g. iOS 7 update for iPad2, iPhone 4/4S etc.
  - dep_b 9y ago
    iOS 7 was pretty rough on anything slower than an iPhone 5
ben_w 9y ago
I thought this had been tested recently and shown not true? A psychological illusion or something? I’ve never noticed any significant, let alone dramatic, speed change on any given device from iOS 3 on the original iPad onwards.
- majani 9y ago
  Apps that represent light websites like Google and Facebook are now 300mb+. With such memory hogging updates, few people with older phones are going to update.
  - ben_w 9y ago
    Size is not speed.
    - mgkimsal 9y ago
      True, but... Older hardware has older chips (and possibly slower memory) so... a larger size alone would still likely have an actual processing speed impact, no? The newer OS and app versions are developed with chip/memory speed "XYZ" in mind, and that's the target they aim for. That the OS does run on older hardware is great, but if your memory size goes up 2-3 times for apps, I can not imagine that there's 0 speed impact.
      - iainmerrick 9y ago
        Aren't you confusing apps and the OS here? Apps are definitely bigger and slower, but that's separate from whether the OS is faster or slower. Anecdotally (and I agree) iOS 11 is slower than 10 for many of the same tasks -- things like switching apps, opening the camera, opening the keyboard.
- m_st 9y ago
  They tested the performance of the hardware (CPU, GPU, etc), not of the APIs or updated apps. So the CPU and GPU of my iPhone 6 are just as fast as when they were released. But I can guarantee you that the camera app as well as a lot of third party apps aren't as fast as they were when I bought the phone.
- iainmerrick 9y ago
  I thought it was a myth too, but iOS 11 is undeniably much slower for me. And I don't understand why, as it doesn't seem like it adds many features. There's a new filesystem, but shouldn't that be faster, not slower?