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It's not that simple. This isn't just some trend which can be fixed with a little logic. This is something that is changing the discussion fundamentally turning
by ThomPete 9y ago
It's not that simple. This isn't just some trend which can be fixed with a little logic. This is something that is changing the discussion fundamentally turning men guilty by default.
The metoo campaign IM basically allowed anything from actual abuse to catcalling be called sexual abuse. It expanded the definition of sexual abuse to basically align with only the most extreme feminists.
Men are now by definition guilty and any attempt at bringing nuance to the discussion will mark you as a possible perpetrator yourself.
- xionon 9y ago> The metoo campaign IM basically allowed anything from actual abuse to catcalling be called sexual abuse. It expanded the definition of sexual abuse to basically align with only the most extreme feminists. Are you implying that catcalling someone, in or out of the workplace, should not be considered sexual abuse?
- ThomPete 9y agoI am saying that there is a context to these kind of social dynamics which can't just be considered binary. It depends on the situation. All that get's lost in the panic.
- rhelmer 9y agoCatcalling just seems like a bad example... I can't think of a situation where that seems appropriate? I'm really not seeing why any of this belongs in the workplace. Why not bars, or if you're not the nightlife type, dating sites?
- ThomPete 9y agoI can think of plenty where it's appropriate. Again it's about context.
- rhelmer 9y agoI don't see the nuance. You're giving me your conclusion ("men are now by definition guilty") without supporting evidence. Could you give more concrete examples?
- brians 9y agoWait a minute. Actual abuse and catcalling are both abuse. The metoo campaign had flaws—I think it badly hurt some men who’d been sexually abused or harassed—but the line of what’s appropriate didn’t seem to move there.