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How are you so certain obsolescence is planned?

by Nuance 9y ago

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crx087 9y ago
I have seen a prepaid device literally self-destruct from a combination of market segmenting and artificial firmware restrictions. Edit: There was no CM support, no way to delete bloatware, forcibly disabled SD storage support, and non-optional updates that eventually rendered the device unusable. The two end-user choices were to either remain offline or get stuck in "not enough free space" loops.
- maksimum 9y ago
  Sounds like my Republic Wireless Moto X running Android 2.3 from 2013. It still works, but usability has degraded significantly.
  - greenhouse_gas 9y ago
    Did you look into Cyanogenmod/LineageOS?
    - pferde 9y ago
      I too am running android 2.3 on my aging phone, thanks to cyanogenmod. Unfortunately, they do not provide any newer version for this particular model. The case is all scratched up, the protective glass has been replaced two times already (and is up for another replacement soon, touch tends to stop working on cold days in bottom part of the screen), but I am holding on to it, because I haven't seen any newer phone that I wouldn't hate. They're all either too big (remember when it was cool to have as small phone as possible?), or they lack features like unlocked boot or even a SD card slot. I'm thinking of going back to some dumb feature phone, if I can find one with good support for importing contacts from outside.
gsich 9y ago
No updates for Android devices pretty much confirms this.
- koffiezet 9y ago
  That's quite the opposite. It's hw companies not used to having to support their stuff after it leaves the door. To keep supporting this, they should plan/calculate this in from the get-go. They don't plan anything, so now you have devices that don't get updates. Supporting/updating devices requires active planning, but then you get cries over companies that actually do perform updates and get the whole 'planned obsolescence' conspiracies.
  - gsich 9y ago
    Android device manufactors are not solely hardware companies. Samsung surely is not, they do publish updates for some time, then they stop doing that. This is planned. As time progresses your device becomes less usable, not because of the hardware, but of the software and bugs/security issues within. So if your (example) Samsung device gets updates for 2 years, then the planned obsolescence for that device is 2 years + a few months. The amount of months depends on the severity of the security issues discovered. Also, it may not be "planned" obsolescence, but it sure is "accepted" (from the vendors point) obsolescence. Which is even worse. On a side note, as a customer I don't care about internal structures of companies. I want updates. If they can't deliver that, open source everything.
    - jiggunjer 9y ago
      My phone doesn't become obsolete because of that. It's because I'm not allowed to use many apps without updating them after a certain time. These newer versions are slower and use more resources. Even with regular updates my phone would be unusable after enough userland development.
      - gsich 9y ago
        An unfixed remote code execution (lets say through the SSID, exaggerated example) doesn't make your device obsolete? The software update case you wrote is a good example of planned (or accepted) obsolescence by the developer.

How are you so certain obsolescence is planned?

by Nuance 9y ago

How are you so certain obsolescence is planned?

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crx087 9y ago

I have seen a prepaid device literally self-destruct from a combination of market segmenting and artificial firmware restrictions. Edit: There was no CM support, no way to delete bloatware, forcibly disabled SD storage support, and non-optional updates that eventually rendered the device unusable. The two end-user choices were to either remain offline or get stuck in "not enough free space" loops.

maksimum 9y ago
Sounds like my Republic Wireless Moto X running Android 2.3 from 2013. It still works, but usability has degraded significantly.
- greenhouse_gas 9y ago
  Did you look into Cyanogenmod/LineageOS?
  - pferde 9y ago
    I too am running android 2.3 on my aging phone, thanks to cyanogenmod. Unfortunately, they do not provide any newer version for this particular model. The case is all scratched up, the protective glass has been replaced two times already (and is up for another replacement soon, touch tends to stop working on cold days in bottom part of the screen), but I am holding on to it, because I haven't seen any newer phone that I wouldn't hate. They're all either too big (remember when it was cool to have as small phone as possible?), or they lack features like unlocked boot or even a SD card slot. I'm thinking of going back to some dumb feature phone, if I can find one with good support for importing contacts from outside.

gsich 9y ago

No updates for Android devices pretty much confirms this.

koffiezet 9y ago
That's quite the opposite. It's hw companies not used to having to support their stuff after it leaves the door. To keep supporting this, they should plan/calculate this in from the get-go. They don't plan anything, so now you have devices that don't get updates. Supporting/updating devices requires active planning, but then you get cries over companies that actually do perform updates and get the whole 'planned obsolescence' conspiracies.
- gsich 9y ago
  Android device manufactors are not solely hardware companies. Samsung surely is not, they do publish updates for some time, then they stop doing that. This is planned. As time progresses your device becomes less usable, not because of the hardware, but of the software and bugs/security issues within. So if your (example) Samsung device gets updates for 2 years, then the planned obsolescence for that device is 2 years + a few months. The amount of months depends on the severity of the security issues discovered. Also, it may not be "planned" obsolescence, but it sure is "accepted" (from the vendors point) obsolescence. Which is even worse. On a side note, as a customer I don't care about internal structures of companies. I want updates. If they can't deliver that, open source everything.
  - jiggunjer 9y ago
    My phone doesn't become obsolete because of that. It's because I'm not allowed to use many apps without updating them after a certain time. These newer versions are slower and use more resources. Even with regular updates my phone would be unusable after enough userland development.
    - gsich 9y ago
      An unfixed remote code execution (lets say through the SSID, exaggerated example) doesn't make your device obsolete? The software update case you wrote is a good example of planned (or accepted) obsolescence by the developer.