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Just as beer went through it's 'extremes' phase, weed is going through this right now too. Beer was super hoppy, then super stouty, then had loads of coffee, th

Just as beer went through it's 'extremes' phase, weed is going through this right now too. Beer was super hoppy, then super stouty, then had loads of coffee, then loads of NO2, then sours, then glassware. Finally, beer settled on the 'all-day-IPA': a beer that tastes good, and you can bring to your niece's birthday party but not get too tanked to be able to drive her to the hospital after the bounce-house gets out of hand. Weed needs that for a recreational substance that 'relaxes' but still allows for emergencies to occur. Think a bag of something (bitter orange chips?) that kids won't eat outright, that comes in low/variable dosages just enough to chill with, that will allow you to drive your kids to the hospital should the need arise. It, frankly, needs to be an 'adult' thing, not juvenile and bacchanalian as it is perceived to be today.

Omnius 9y ago
You have to get stoner culture separated from weed the product. I like cannabis occasionally i do not like being stoned and non-functioning all day. Forever now its the strongest weed is the best and to your point its just juvenile. Let me chill out to a cool movie or some friends outside on the porch i don't want to be drooling in my lap.
- hprotagonist 9y ago
  I don't think this is true any more. For example, /r/trees et. al. are all pretty stoked about microdosing / one-hitters/ on-demand vapes, even the strictly recreational users.
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- c22 9y ago
  As someone who has been smoking weed for at least 15 years and who lives in Washington I have never had as much control over how high and what type of high I got. Before legalization if you didn't have a medical card or you didn't know several illegal growers you might be lucky to find a dealer who "stocked" 3 or 4 different strains, but even then it'd be hard to know if s/he knew what they were talking about. Now the percentages of everything I care about plus often a list of pesticides used is printed right on every package.
  - Omnius 9y ago
    I am not in a legal state and it seems only the most potent stuff flows out of legal states to us.
    - jasonmp85 9y ago
      Because you’re not in a legal state. Iron law of prohibition and all that.
sysalphUS 9y ago
I’ve found that some of the high-CBD strains perfectly fit this profile.
emodendroket 9y ago
I'm so sick of IPAs altogether. I'm a big fan of sours, which I guess some people find intolerable, but overall I'd just like more choices instead of everything either being mass-market (I mean like Bud or Coors by that) or else an IPA most places you go.
- afinno 9y ago
  Personally I love Russian imperial stouts but I'm also happy with everything other than sours. My fear is that one day only sours will be available and that I'll be forced to drink cider :P
  - emodendroket 9y ago
    In my experience few places even have a single sour on tap, so I think world domination is a ways off.
  - Balgair 9y ago
    I saw a few bars along the frontrange this last summer doing just that. 5 sours and 1 stout, all in tulips. It was hot, I got a sour, it was still beer.
  - walshemj 9y ago
    Don't nock it some of the best cider I have had has been the local scrumpy - smooth goes down easy but man what a kick -this is where Terry Pratchet got the idea for scumble.
- blang 9y ago
  I've heard that some micro-brewers are sick of making IPAs, but they have to make what sells.
  - opportune 9y ago
    My favorite micro-brewery has started flavor-infusing most of their IPAs. They always are iteratively improving upon a standard double IPA as their flagship, but usually have 2-4 options for IPAs brewed with fruits, coffee, lactose, vanilla,, etc. They've done a great job of balancing popular appeal with making really good, really unique beers.
Retric 9y ago
IPA is just another fad.* It was designed to be shipped to India on sailing ships without refrigeration and have a high alcohol content. It's different than the mass market piss Americans are used to, but there are much better options for the average pallet. *It's not going away, but it's current popularity is outside of historic norms.
- Balgair 9y ago
  Maybe. Beer-dom is moving about still, try getting a ticket the GABF next year. You'll find some pretty crazy stuff. Also, I think the IPA craze is already over, it peaked in 2014 or so. Now it's all sours and martzens. Nearly every brewer I see is doing something with a German brewery or ageing in some whiskey barrel or another.
  - mmmpop 9y ago
    Try going south of Colfax once in a while.
    - Balgair 9y ago
      ?
- bluetwo 9y ago
  I have a half dozen microbreweries within 10 minutes of my house and I don't see IPAs going anywhere.
- santaclaus 9y ago
  IPAs keep getting better. The current New England IPA craze is a delicious thing.
- jartelt 9y ago
  Historic popularity and sailing ships don't matter much here. Many popular IPAs nowadays are being dry-hopped with hop varieties that were selectively bred within the last 20 years. These hop varieties simply taste/smell a lot better than what was used before and many people really like the results. If anything, IPAs are actually trending more towards the average pallet today. Brewers are making more approachable fruity New England style IPAs and fewer bitter, super high IBU double/triple IPAs.
opportune 9y ago
Here's the thing: tolerance to alcohol does not increase to nearly the same extent as weed. Compare two people of the same weight and gender with different tolerances to alcohol: the one with a higher tolerance (e.g. someone who drinks an average of four drinks per day) only needs 1.5-2x as much as the first person to reach the same level of desired intoxication. Even an extreme alcoholic probably needs < 4x as much as someone who rarely drinks to feel a similar level of intoxication. With weed, someone who never smokes might get insanely high off of a single hit (say, 1/6th of a bowl) from a bong. Someone who smokes a few times a week might need to smoke an entire bowl for similar effects. Someone who smokes almost every day might need to smoke 2-4 bowls to get to that level, and if someone smokes multiple times every day, they may need to smoke an entire joint or turn to concentrates to get there. So in this case the heavy smoker wants 20x what the non-smoker wants due to the difference in tolerance. What could get a novice uncomfortably high could be unnoticeable to a heavy smoker. With regard to " bag of something (bitter orange chips?) that kids won't eat outright, that comes in low/variable dosages just enough to chill with, that will allow you to drive your kids to the hospital should the need arise", in my opinion this product already exists. If you use a vaporizer the intake is so slow that you can simply stop inhaling when you reach however high you want to be. Even with other methods, you can simply smoke a single "hit", wait ~5-10 minutes, see if you want to smoke more, then repeat. And there are definitely low-dose edibles out there in the form of gummies/lollipops that are analogous to your example, except that they're not always bitter. The problem with edibles is that you can't "titrate" them like with other RoA's because the onset is too delayed.
- Balgair 9y ago
  Yes, the method of action is very very different between depressants and hallucinogenics. Booze is HARD on your liver and effects most people pretty similarly as we all have similar blood/liver chemistry. With THC and the like, the methods of action are neuro-genic and the habituation/potentiation will change rapidly in individuals. Those receptors are trafficked in and out of the synapses pretty quickly. Maybe a series of bags would be better. Like with coffee, you have espressos and shots and the like. You can adjust your tolerance fairly knowably and overdoing isn't a catastrophe. But I think the american palette is such that you need a serious foodstuff/snack in size. One gummy bear isn't 'enough' food, you need a bag of them. You can use a rookie-cookie, but sell them in 3 packs or really big discus-like sizes. People want some heft/size and they don't want to leave a half bag to go stale. Then up the dosages in a series. Red packaging is rookie, Orange is a long movie, Yellow is a half day, Lime is enough for a day'trip', Green is a 3-day weekend, etc. Price them all the same so that way it's about the dosage, not the costs. Find a way to get a stressed out soccer-mom to eat these weed bon-bons like drinking a Cosmo, something instagram-able and dose-able.
wolco 9y ago
Depends on the country but in some places 7% is legal in[others you are lucky to find a 2-4% budweiser brew.
subnaught 9y ago
Just a nit: beer never had loads of NO2. So-called "nitro" pours are pushed with nitrogen gas (N2), not NO2. This is a good thing, since NO2 is rather toxic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen_dioxide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen_dioxide
- Balgair 9y ago
  Yes! Thank you for the update.
thatfrenchguy 9y ago
> Finally, beer settled on the 'all-day-IPA': a beer that tastes good, and you can bring to your niece's birthday party but not get too tanked to be able to drive her to the hospital after the bounce-house gets out of hand. Such a Californian thing to say, the rest of the non-English speaking world in general has settled on very different beers (Pilsners in part of Germany and Czech Republic, Belgian ales in Belgian and part of France, ...)
- Balgair 9y ago
  I'm not in CA all the time. Maybe more of a US/Canada thing then?

Omnius 9y ago

You have to get stoner culture separated from weed the product. I like cannabis occasionally i do not like being stoned and non-functioning all day. Forever now its the strongest weed is the best and to your point its just juvenile. Let me chill out to a cool movie or some friends outside on the porch i don't want to be drooling in my lap.

hprotagonist 9y ago
I don't think this is true any more. For example, /r/trees et. al. are all pretty stoked about microdosing / one-hitters/ on-demand vapes, even the strictly recreational users.
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c22 9y ago
As someone who has been smoking weed for at least 15 years and who lives in Washington I have never had as much control over how high and what type of high I got. Before legalization if you didn't have a medical card or you didn't know several illegal growers you might be lucky to find a dealer who "stocked" 3 or 4 different strains, but even then it'd be hard to know if s/he knew what they were talking about. Now the percentages of everything I care about plus often a list of pesticides used is printed right on every package.
- Omnius 9y ago
  I am not in a legal state and it seems only the most potent stuff flows out of legal states to us.
  - jasonmp85 9y ago
    Because you’re not in a legal state. Iron law of prohibition and all that.

sysalphUS 9y ago

I’ve found that some of the high-CBD strains perfectly fit this profile.

emodendroket 9y ago

I'm so sick of IPAs altogether. I'm a big fan of sours, which I guess some people find intolerable, but overall I'd just like more choices instead of everything either being mass-market (I mean like Bud or Coors by that) or else an IPA most places you go.

afinno 9y ago
Personally I love Russian imperial stouts but I'm also happy with everything other than sours. My fear is that one day only sours will be available and that I'll be forced to drink cider :P
- emodendroket 9y ago
  In my experience few places even have a single sour on tap, so I think world domination is a ways off.
- Balgair 9y ago
  I saw a few bars along the frontrange this last summer doing just that. 5 sours and 1 stout, all in tulips. It was hot, I got a sour, it was still beer.
- walshemj 9y ago
  Don't nock it some of the best cider I have had has been the local scrumpy - smooth goes down easy but man what a kick -this is where Terry Pratchet got the idea for scumble.
blang 9y ago
I've heard that some micro-brewers are sick of making IPAs, but they have to make what sells.
- opportune 9y ago
  My favorite micro-brewery has started flavor-infusing most of their IPAs. They always are iteratively improving upon a standard double IPA as their flagship, but usually have 2-4 options for IPAs brewed with fruits, coffee, lactose, vanilla,, etc. They've done a great job of balancing popular appeal with making really good, really unique beers.

Retric 9y ago

IPA is just another fad.* It was designed to be shipped to India on sailing ships without refrigeration and have a high alcohol content. It's different than the mass market piss Americans are used to, but there are much better options for the average pallet. *It's not going away, but it's current popularity is outside of historic norms.

Balgair 9y ago
Maybe. Beer-dom is moving about still, try getting a ticket the GABF next year. You'll find some pretty crazy stuff. Also, I think the IPA craze is already over, it peaked in 2014 or so. Now it's all sours and martzens. Nearly every brewer I see is doing something with a German brewery or ageing in some whiskey barrel or another.
- mmmpop 9y ago
  Try going south of Colfax once in a while.
  - Balgair 9y ago
    ?
bluetwo 9y ago
I have a half dozen microbreweries within 10 minutes of my house and I don't see IPAs going anywhere.
santaclaus 9y ago
IPAs keep getting better. The current New England IPA craze is a delicious thing.
jartelt 9y ago
Historic popularity and sailing ships don't matter much here. Many popular IPAs nowadays are being dry-hopped with hop varieties that were selectively bred within the last 20 years. These hop varieties simply taste/smell a lot better than what was used before and many people really like the results. If anything, IPAs are actually trending more towards the average pallet today. Brewers are making more approachable fruity New England style IPAs and fewer bitter, super high IBU double/triple IPAs.

opportune 9y ago

Here's the thing: tolerance to alcohol does not increase to nearly the same extent as weed. Compare two people of the same weight and gender with different tolerances to alcohol: the one with a higher tolerance (e.g. someone who drinks an average of four drinks per day) only needs 1.5-2x as much as the first person to reach the same level of desired intoxication. Even an extreme alcoholic probably needs < 4x as much as someone who rarely drinks to feel a similar level of intoxication. With weed, someone who never smokes might get insanely high off of a single hit (say, 1/6th of a bowl) from a bong. Someone who smokes a few times a week might need to smoke an entire bowl for similar effects. Someone who smokes almost every day might need to smoke 2-4 bowls to get to that level, and if someone smokes multiple times every day, they may need to smoke an entire joint or turn to concentrates to get there. So in this case the heavy smoker wants 20x what the non-smoker wants due to the difference in tolerance. What could get a novice uncomfortably high could be unnoticeable to a heavy smoker. With regard to " bag of something (bitter orange chips?) that kids won't eat outright, that comes in low/variable dosages just enough to chill with, that will allow you to drive your kids to the hospital should the need arise", in my opinion this product already exists. If you use a vaporizer the intake is so slow that you can simply stop inhaling when you reach however high you want to be. Even with other methods, you can simply smoke a single "hit", wait ~5-10 minutes, see if you want to smoke more, then repeat. And there are definitely low-dose edibles out there in the form of gummies/lollipops that are analogous to your example, except that they're not always bitter. The problem with edibles is that you can't "titrate" them like with other RoA's because the onset is too delayed.

Balgair 9y ago
Yes, the method of action is very very different between depressants and hallucinogenics. Booze is HARD on your liver and effects most people pretty similarly as we all have similar blood/liver chemistry. With THC and the like, the methods of action are neuro-genic and the habituation/potentiation will change rapidly in individuals. Those receptors are trafficked in and out of the synapses pretty quickly. Maybe a series of bags would be better. Like with coffee, you have espressos and shots and the like. You can adjust your tolerance fairly knowably and overdoing isn't a catastrophe. But I think the american palette is such that you need a serious foodstuff/snack in size. One gummy bear isn't 'enough' food, you need a bag of them. You can use a rookie-cookie, but sell them in 3 packs or really big discus-like sizes. People want some heft/size and they don't want to leave a half bag to go stale. Then up the dosages in a series. Red packaging is rookie, Orange is a long movie, Yellow is a half day, Lime is enough for a day'trip', Green is a 3-day weekend, etc. Price them all the same so that way it's about the dosage, not the costs. Find a way to get a stressed out soccer-mom to eat these weed bon-bons like drinking a Cosmo, something instagram-able and dose-able.

wolco 9y ago

Depends on the country but in some places 7% is legal in[others you are lucky to find a 2-4% budweiser brew.

subnaught 9y ago

Just a nit: beer never had loads of NO2. So-called "nitro" pours are pushed with nitrogen gas (N2), not NO2. This is a good thing, since NO2 is rather toxic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen_dioxide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen_dioxide

Balgair 9y ago
Yes! Thank you for the update.

thatfrenchguy 9y ago

> Finally, beer settled on the 'all-day-IPA': a beer that tastes good, and you can bring to your niece's birthday party but not get too tanked to be able to drive her to the hospital after the bounce-house gets out of hand. Such a Californian thing to say, the rest of the non-English speaking world in general has settled on very different beers (Pilsners in part of Germany and Czech Republic, Belgian ales in Belgian and part of France, ...)

Balgair 9y ago
I'm not in CA all the time. Maybe more of a US/Canada thing then?