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This is awful. Now, if your founder/lawyer was kind, you CONVERT the ISO stock to NSO upon leaving the business and increase the excursive window, so they are
by neom 9y ago
This is awful. Now, if your founder/lawyer was kind, you CONVERT the ISO stock to NSO upon leaving the business and increase the excursive window, so they are not NSOs till the employee leaves the business. (NSO tax per vest, ISO tax on exercise)
The way it works in my business is: you have regular ISOs, you vest, you leave, we convert to NSO and give you 8 years to buy them. You're not vesting anymore, so you sidestep the vesting tax associated with NSO, and you pay the cap gain in 8 years. This is the most employee friendly way to structure things as not everyone has liquidity to deal with what they have earned (both buying the grants and the tax associated with buying the grants).
Under the new plan, the rule around NSOs being taxed per vest (remember when you leave you're not vesting anymore) will be applied to all types of employee stock option compensation. That's madness. Personal opinion: On the plus side, maybe salaries will go up and stock grants will go down (imo unhealthy). It will also push more 409a. :\
(Edit- My COO says: julie [11:57 AM]
that provision is already being softened in the latest amendment btw)
- hamburglar 9y agoI can suggest another employee-friendly way, which my previous company did for me as a one-time thing, but I would like other companies to learn from and make more common: They allowed me to exercise my options and then, so I could cover the taxes, arranged a sale between me and one of their other investors for a small portion of my shares. It worked out beautifully.
- sk5t 9y agoWhat is your reference on NQSO taxation at vesting under the current rules? AFAIK they are today taxed at exercise; ISOs, in contrast, are not necessarily taxed at exercise, but may trigger AMT.