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Yeah? The Shadow Brokers themselves state flat out that they're former USG employees. The NY Times has - yet again - attempted to manipulate readers into believ

Yeah? The Shadow Brokers themselves state flat out that they're former USG employees. The NY Times has - yet again - attempted to manipulate readers into believing the Brokers have admitted to being Russian, quoting something that is obviously a joke to try and do so. Here's what the Shadow Brokers themselves actually say about their origins: https://steemit.com/shadowbrokers/@theshadowbrokers/grammer-critics-information-vs-knowledge https://steemit.com/shadowbrokers/@theshadowbrokers/grammer-... TheShadowBrokers shaking heads at arrogant pretentiousness of grammar critics. Liberal Ivory Tower Logical Fallacies: A) Deliver Method of Content (Spelling/Grammer/Profanity) = Content is invalid B) Only Explanation of Spelling/Grammar/Profanity = Inadequate Education The ShadowBrokers is writing TRADOC, Position Pieces, White Papers, Wiki pages, etc for USG. If theshadowbrokers be using own voices, theshadowbrokers be writing peoples from prison or dead. TheShadowBrokers is practicing obfuscation as part of operational security (OPSEC). Is being a spy thing. Is being the difference between a contractor tech support guy posing as a infosec expert but living in exile in Russia (yes @snowden) and subject matter experts in Cyber Intelligence like theshadowbrokers. TheShadowBrokers has being operating in country for many months now and USG is still not having fucking clue. Guessing so called global surveillance is not being as good as @snowden is claiming? Edit: the whole Steemit is really worth a read. The rants here are truly epic. It's just implausible that this is the work of a government - why would government employees spend so much time writing such long political rants on Steemit where approx ~nobody will ever see them except Q Branch and occasional journalists? It serves no obvious political or espionage related purpose. Whoever is writing these things seems to be someone who has a lot of hatred and anger for the political system and wants to get it out. It sounds a lot like the rantings of a lot of the self-proclaimed libertarians you find in the Bitcoin community: is funny thing about being rich, powerful, and in control, it comes with dirty deeds and many skeletons. Violence begets violence but leaks, dumps, hacks brings evil and corruption into the light. No more secrets. Secrets Equal Control. Secrets between peoples, spouses, partners, friends, ok two peoples might be having some problems. But secrets between government and governed, governed is getting fucked. Secrets between corporations and peoples, peoples is getting fucked. Why do corporation deserved privacy? FUCK SCOTUS!!! CORPORATION ARE NOT PEOPLE YOU FUCKING OVER EDUCATED OVER THINKING CORRUPT RETARDS. No more classifying bullshit. No more black budgets and black ops. If we can't be surviving and prospering without dirty little secrets, operating in full daylight, then maybe we don't deserving to being surviving. This being time to standing up. Standing up against more wars. Standing up to globalist controllers. Eliminating career politicians. Eliminating money and lobbyist. Policing corporate and special interest. Investing in ourselves. Investing in all our children.

saas_co_de 9y ago
> Yeah? The Shadow Brokers themselves state flat out that they're former USG employees. But why would you take lying criminals at their word? TSB started out pretending to be criminals who wanted money, which nobody bought, and so they switched to pretending to be a Snowden/Assange caricature. The one objective that TSB has actually delivered on is attacking the NSA. Everything else is obfuscation.
- peoplewindow 9y ago
  Why would you not? You have no evidence they're lying, you're just assuming they are because you prefer the alternative explanations. You certainly have nothing to suggest they're Russian and there's plenty of reasons to believe that they're probably not. TSB started out pretending to be criminals who wanted money, which nobody bought Their attempt to auction the exploits was one of the most fascinating aspects of the whole tale because it was verifiably a failure - we don't have to take their word for it. They published a Bitcoin address and nobody sent them enough money to reach their min threshold, if I recall correctly. At least, I'm sure they were using Bitcoin with a static wallet address to do the sale. so they switched to pretending to be a Snowden/Assange caricature. TSB's personality has been consistent throughout. They aren't pretending to be a Snowden/Assange cariacture. Their writing makes it quite clear they seem to have a serious grudge or dislike for Snowden specifically.
  - saas_co_de 9y ago
    > You certainly have nothing to suggest they're Russian I don't think they are Russian. It makes no sense for a state actor like China or Russia to penetrate the NSA and then disclose it. When they disclose it they lose the ability to exploit it. Even if the NSA had already closed all the holes, which we can guess they didn't because of Microsoft patching them after the leaks, a state level actor would still not show their hand because keeping your opponents in the dark is more disruptive to their operations, and showing your hand has the potential to reveal your own methods. Whoever it is is specifically focused on attacking, disrupting and discrediting the NSA. They are not making money off it (even though the op has to be expensive) and they are not exploiting it for intelligence advantage. I don't believe it is a Snowden type for the reasons I mentioned and because the op seems way too complex and long running for any individual or group to pull off for ideological reasons. I would tend to believe that it is not a leaker or it was a one time leak to a third party who is now running the operation. The NSA knows everyone who worked for them, and who had access to what, and I am sure they are watching every single one of those people so the only plausible way it could be a leaker is if the NSA can't connect the leaker to whatever individual(s) are running the online campaign. The problem with a long running op like this is that all internet access can be traced back eventually. Every time you post online, even if you are going to really extraordinary measures, you are leaving a trail that will eventually converge on your location. That means you have to stay on the move. But travel is also observable and so moving all the time will eventually create a pattern that allows you to be identified. It is some real Jason Bourne type shit. It could just be some relatively crazy individual who is playing a high stakes game spy game for fun. There are a couple of examples of criminals who engaged in robberies based on the movie Heat, which seems bizarre, but it happens. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/mar/24/gilestremlett https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/mar/24/gilestremlett The European team that was obsessed with the movie and based their operations on it pulled off some of the biggest armed robberies in history.

saas_co_de 9y ago

> Yeah? The Shadow Brokers themselves state flat out that they're former USG employees. But why would you take lying criminals at their word? TSB started out pretending to be criminals who wanted money, which nobody bought, and so they switched to pretending to be a Snowden/Assange caricature. The one objective that TSB has actually delivered on is attacking the NSA. Everything else is obfuscation.

peoplewindow 9y ago
Why would you not? You have no evidence they're lying, you're just assuming they are because you prefer the alternative explanations. You certainly have nothing to suggest they're Russian and there's plenty of reasons to believe that they're probably not. TSB started out pretending to be criminals who wanted money, which nobody bought Their attempt to auction the exploits was one of the most fascinating aspects of the whole tale because it was verifiably a failure - we don't have to take their word for it. They published a Bitcoin address and nobody sent them enough money to reach their min threshold, if I recall correctly. At least, I'm sure they were using Bitcoin with a static wallet address to do the sale. so they switched to pretending to be a Snowden/Assange caricature. TSB's personality has been consistent throughout. They aren't pretending to be a Snowden/Assange cariacture. Their writing makes it quite clear they seem to have a serious grudge or dislike for Snowden specifically.
- saas_co_de 9y ago
  > You certainly have nothing to suggest they're Russian I don't think they are Russian. It makes no sense for a state actor like China or Russia to penetrate the NSA and then disclose it. When they disclose it they lose the ability to exploit it. Even if the NSA had already closed all the holes, which we can guess they didn't because of Microsoft patching them after the leaks, a state level actor would still not show their hand because keeping your opponents in the dark is more disruptive to their operations, and showing your hand has the potential to reveal your own methods. Whoever it is is specifically focused on attacking, disrupting and discrediting the NSA. They are not making money off it (even though the op has to be expensive) and they are not exploiting it for intelligence advantage. I don't believe it is a Snowden type for the reasons I mentioned and because the op seems way too complex and long running for any individual or group to pull off for ideological reasons. I would tend to believe that it is not a leaker or it was a one time leak to a third party who is now running the operation. The NSA knows everyone who worked for them, and who had access to what, and I am sure they are watching every single one of those people so the only plausible way it could be a leaker is if the NSA can't connect the leaker to whatever individual(s) are running the online campaign. The problem with a long running op like this is that all internet access can be traced back eventually. Every time you post online, even if you are going to really extraordinary measures, you are leaving a trail that will eventually converge on your location. That means you have to stay on the move. But travel is also observable and so moving all the time will eventually create a pattern that allows you to be identified. It is some real Jason Bourne type shit. It could just be some relatively crazy individual who is playing a high stakes game spy game for fun. There are a couple of examples of criminals who engaged in robberies based on the movie Heat, which seems bizarre, but it happens. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/mar/24/gilestremlett https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/mar/24/gilestremlett The European team that was obsessed with the movie and based their operations on it pulled off some of the biggest armed robberies in history.