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Perpetuating violence against humans is good?

by warent 9y ago

rexpop 9y ago
You're being downvoted by the lazy neoliberals, but I sympathize with you. The men should be integrated back into society via restorative justice.
- throwahey 9y ago
  No he's being down voted by sensible people who believe in punishment that fits the crime. Putting a murderer to death will not bring back those lost, but at least it may deter others from doing the same.
  - mmdkri7 9y ago
    Death penalty is on the books People are executed under those laws People keep killing You can’t explain that!
  - sillysaurus3 9y ago
    Whoa, this conversation isn't heading anywhere productive. Can we try to focus on intellectual gratification? It's better to teach each other about the world.
    - tryingagainbro 9y ago
      >>It's better to teach each other about the world. 100% agree with you. Let me try: they are some people who do horrible, horrible things. Unless they are punished severely, other bad people might not fear the consequences. Death or life in jail is an ongoing discussion among different people
  - simonh 9y ago
    Would you agree that the decision to take lives on the basis of a theory should require a very high bar in terms of evidence in favour of that theory? If I could show you a ‘massive amount of evidence’ that deterrence does not work, would you reconsider? https://www.dartmouth.edu/~chance/teaching_aids/books_articles/JLpaper.pdf https://www.dartmouth.edu/~chance/teaching_aids/books_articl... The problem I have with the death penalty is not that these people deserve to die. Many of those condemned to death certainly do deserve to die. The problem is that many of them certainly don’t deserve to die and some of them are almost certainly innocent, and a few have even been proven to have been innocent. All in service of a justification that holds no water anyway. It’s a form of punishment that leads down a slippery slope into deeply immoral territory and has twisted the US justice system into contortions. So while some criminals do deserve death, I’m willing to accept merely locking them up for the rest of their natural lives instead. Sometimes it turns out those condemned to death didn’t deserve it after all and the use of such a divisive and irreversible sanction makes getting to the truth in such cases very difficult.
- c0nducktr 9y ago
  I usually think of 'lazy neoliberals' are ones to be less interested in capital punishment. Strange that you feel they're the people downvoting.
- sctb 9y ago
  Could you please take a look at the guidelines and stop violating them? We just need you to post civilly and substantively because we're here for a thoughtful and informative discussion instead of this. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Perpetuating violence against humans is good?

by warent 9y ago

Perpetuating violence against humans is good?

You're being downvoted by the lazy neoliberals, but I sympathize with you. The men should be integrated back into society via restorative justice.

throwahey 9y ago
No he's being down voted by sensible people who believe in punishment that fits the crime. Putting a murderer to death will not bring back those lost, but at least it may deter others from doing the same.
- mmdkri7 9y ago
  Death penalty is on the books People are executed under those laws People keep killing You can’t explain that!
- sillysaurus3 9y ago
  Whoa, this conversation isn't heading anywhere productive. Can we try to focus on intellectual gratification? It's better to teach each other about the world.
  - tryingagainbro 9y ago
    >>It's better to teach each other about the world. 100% agree with you. Let me try: they are some people who do horrible, horrible things. Unless they are punished severely, other bad people might not fear the consequences. Death or life in jail is an ongoing discussion among different people
- simonh 9y ago
  Would you agree that the decision to take lives on the basis of a theory should require a very high bar in terms of evidence in favour of that theory? If I could show you a ‘massive amount of evidence’ that deterrence does not work, would you reconsider? https://www.dartmouth.edu/~chance/teaching_aids/books_articles/JLpaper.pdf https://www.dartmouth.edu/~chance/teaching_aids/books_articl... The problem I have with the death penalty is not that these people deserve to die. Many of those condemned to death certainly do deserve to die. The problem is that many of them certainly don’t deserve to die and some of them are almost certainly innocent, and a few have even been proven to have been innocent. All in service of a justification that holds no water anyway. It’s a form of punishment that leads down a slippery slope into deeply immoral territory and has twisted the US justice system into contortions. So while some criminals do deserve death, I’m willing to accept merely locking them up for the rest of their natural lives instead. Sometimes it turns out those condemned to death didn’t deserve it after all and the use of such a divisive and irreversible sanction makes getting to the truth in such cases very difficult.
c0nducktr 9y ago
I usually think of 'lazy neoliberals' are ones to be less interested in capital punishment. Strange that you feel they're the people downvoting.
sctb 9y ago
Could you please take a look at the guidelines and stop violating them? We just need you to post civilly and substantively because we're here for a thoughtful and informative discussion instead of this. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html