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MechanicalTwerk 9y ago
Are you saying sane and secure defaults in Django or any other web framework should be enough for a beginner to not have to to worry about this stuff? See another issue for beginners trying to figure it out is they have to deal with people online who post 6 links with no explanation as if it's SOOOO obvious.
- riquito 9y ago
  This is not a tutorial and he/she is not answering to a beginner. A description would have helped nonetheless
  - mitchtbaum 9y ago
    Thanks. MechanicalTwerk, I meant this is how to make that slope less slippery and steep. They're software design patterns -- going with principles and paradigms, like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structured_programming https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structured_programming
    - MechanicalTwerk 9y ago
      Agreed that design patterns and just thoughtful design in general can help create frameworks that are easy to get up and running. I guess what I was getting at is that a non-coder could probably stay completely in the browser, maybe even completely on the bubble.is site (bouncing back and forth between the docs and the editor) and have a clear path to launching an app that they can feel comfortable knowing is secure and will probably perform well enough. With Python and Django, they'd have to cobble more things together and the risk that they end up going down some rabbit hole that doesn't quite have to do with their initial goal is greater.
      - mitchtbaum 9y ago
        > stay completely in the browser [focusing on] ...their initial goal I believe this is worthwhile long range target that we can build up to on solid foundation, such as component oriented software. As the pieces come together, the harder fought wins that use and prove its foundation early on will pay off greater, later.
  - MechanicalTwerk 9y ago
    > This is not a tutorial and he/she is not answering to a beginner. Fair.
xstartup 9y ago
Do you know any other such website? I found these explanations useful.

MechanicalTwerk 9y ago

Are you saying sane and secure defaults in Django or any other web framework should be enough for a beginner to not have to to worry about this stuff? See another issue for beginners trying to figure it out is they have to deal with people online who post 6 links with no explanation as if it's SOOOO obvious.

riquito 9y ago
This is not a tutorial and he/she is not answering to a beginner. A description would have helped nonetheless
- mitchtbaum 9y ago
  Thanks. MechanicalTwerk, I meant this is how to make that slope less slippery and steep. They're software design patterns -- going with principles and paradigms, like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structured_programming https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structured_programming
  - MechanicalTwerk 9y ago
    Agreed that design patterns and just thoughtful design in general can help create frameworks that are easy to get up and running. I guess what I was getting at is that a non-coder could probably stay completely in the browser, maybe even completely on the bubble.is site (bouncing back and forth between the docs and the editor) and have a clear path to launching an app that they can feel comfortable knowing is secure and will probably perform well enough. With Python and Django, they'd have to cobble more things together and the risk that they end up going down some rabbit hole that doesn't quite have to do with their initial goal is greater.
    - mitchtbaum 9y ago
      > stay completely in the browser [focusing on] ...their initial goal I believe this is worthwhile long range target that we can build up to on solid foundation, such as component oriented software. As the pieces come together, the harder fought wins that use and prove its foundation early on will pay off greater, later.
- MechanicalTwerk 9y ago
  > This is not a tutorial and he/she is not answering to a beginner. Fair.

xstartup 9y ago

Do you know any other such website? I found these explanations useful.