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It comes across like people complaining that there are no pensions anymore and its unfair.... If you don't like the circumstances whose fault is it for staying

by ProAm 9y ago

It comes across like people complaining that there are no pensions anymore and its unfair.... If you don't like the circumstances whose fault is it for staying in those circumstances?? The bay is tiny land locked piece of land, its never going to be good/better. It's a bunch of smart people making poor decisions.

stale2002 9y ago
It is the fault of the politicians for not changing the laws, and for us not pushing for these laws to be changed. But let's fix that. Let's do the right thing and get rid of these ridiculous barriers to entry for building affordable housing.
alsetmusic 9y ago
> If you don't like the circumstances whose fault is it for staying in those circumstances?? Are you suggesting that I leave my home, my job, my social life, etc rather than trying to affect changes in policy?
- ProAm 9y ago
  If its having such an abject effect on your life? Why would you stay? You obviously had the skills to put yourself into such a position, you have the skills to get yourself into a much better position.
  - mcny 9y ago
    > If its having such an abject effect on your life? Why would you stay? You obviously had the skills to put yourself into such a position, you have the skills to get yourself into a much better position. Because we believe we can effect change. I don't want to screw anyone over but home prices MUST come down regardless of how many second and third mortgages go underwater. What can we do to get you to support new construction? https://youtu.be/dcbjWGj3jBk https://youtu.be/dcbjWGj3jBk
  - rgbrenner 9y ago
    Are you saying people should just run away from whatever problem they have? Why can't people fix things? Policies are just things people have agreed to. They're just words on paper. People can write new words on paper.
    - ProAm 9y ago
      > Are you saying people should just run away from whatever problem they have? People are complaining about moving to an expensive part of town and finding that it's actually expensive. That's not a problem, just poor judgment.
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      - saosebastiao 9y ago
        Just like that time when you bought property thinking you could control all of your adjacent surroundings through zoning policy, only to find out that you didn’t get that in the deed. Super foolish.
mcny 9y ago
> It comes across like people complaining that there are no pensions anymore and its unfair.... Firstly, we can and should renegotiate not only outrageous pension plans but also outrageous public salary. Or we can just let the local government go bankrupt if the unions won't blink. Maybe we need compensation caps in public office. Sorry for going off-topic but I just wanted to address your premise because it is not solid at all.
closeparen 9y ago
Only if we take your “right” to low building heights as sacrosanct.

by ProAm 9y ago

stale2002 9y ago

It is the fault of the politicians for not changing the laws, and for us not pushing for these laws to be changed. But let's fix that. Let's do the right thing and get rid of these ridiculous barriers to entry for building affordable housing.

alsetmusic 9y ago

> If you don't like the circumstances whose fault is it for staying in those circumstances?? Are you suggesting that I leave my home, my job, my social life, etc rather than trying to affect changes in policy?

ProAm 9y ago
If its having such an abject effect on your life? Why would you stay? You obviously had the skills to put yourself into such a position, you have the skills to get yourself into a much better position.
- mcny 9y ago
  > If its having such an abject effect on your life? Why would you stay? You obviously had the skills to put yourself into such a position, you have the skills to get yourself into a much better position. Because we believe we can effect change. I don't want to screw anyone over but home prices MUST come down regardless of how many second and third mortgages go underwater. What can we do to get you to support new construction? https://youtu.be/dcbjWGj3jBk https://youtu.be/dcbjWGj3jBk
- rgbrenner 9y ago
  Are you saying people should just run away from whatever problem they have? Why can't people fix things? Policies are just things people have agreed to. They're just words on paper. People can write new words on paper.
  - ProAm 9y ago
    > Are you saying people should just run away from whatever problem they have? People are complaining about moving to an expensive part of town and finding that it's actually expensive. That's not a problem, just poor judgment.
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    - saosebastiao 9y ago
      Just like that time when you bought property thinking you could control all of your adjacent surroundings through zoning policy, only to find out that you didn’t get that in the deed. Super foolish.

mcny 9y ago

> It comes across like people complaining that there are no pensions anymore and its unfair.... Firstly, we can and should renegotiate not only outrageous pension plans but also outrageous public salary. Or we can just let the local government go bankrupt if the unions won't blink. Maybe we need compensation caps in public office. Sorry for going off-topic but I just wanted to address your premise because it is not solid at all.

closeparen 9y ago

Only if we take your “right” to low building heights as sacrosanct.