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What the Nazis of ‘Wolfenstein’ tell us about the futurists of Silicon Valley

36 points by dcposch 9y ago

rayiner 9y ago
> Peter Thiel, who’s written that capitalism is undermined by women being allowed to vote, is an investor in Yarvin’s startup. I don’t know a lot about futurism, but given the author clearly doesn’t seem to know how to fact check I’m going to assume the time I spent getting to this part was wasted.
- vowelless 9y ago
  The source of the claim comes from here: https://www.cato-unbound.org/2009/04/13/peter-thiel/education-libertarian https://www.cato-unbound.org/2009/04/13/peter-thiel/educatio... > Since 1920, the vast increase in welfare beneficiaries and the extension of the franchise to women — two constituencies that are notoriously tough for libertarians — have rendered the notion of “capitalist democracy” into an oxymoron. Thiel add's an update addressing this point: > It would be absurd to suggest that women’s votes will be taken away or that this would solve the political problems that vex us. While I don’t think any class of people should be disenfranchised, I have little hope that voting will make things better. I frankly have no idea about what he is trying to say.
  - forkLding 9y ago
    Is this an outlook on women constituents affecting American libertarianism? Reread the passage several times and have to conclude it sounds like lawyer-speak: words generally make sense but are broad enough to encompass anything and open to judicial interpretation.
  - stevenwoo 9y ago
    It definitely sounds like he doesn't believe in democracy and he does believe in some form of libertarianism. I could see how one might argue that once people get an entitlement like Social Security or military procurement programs that have components in forty plus states, it's hard to pare those programs back. On the other hand one might argue something like Social Security for elderly/disabled is what every country with enough development should do, unless one is a libertarian.
  - jacalata 9y ago
    I understand him to mean that adding women made it worse, but like many things, you can't simply take it away again and get back to where you were.
    - vowelless 9y ago
      That's how I read the original essay as well. I think the update is an attempt to recover from the negative attention the piece got.
  - c3534l 9y ago
    It sounds like he's saying American voters have become increasingly less capitalistic.
  - Turing_Machine 9y ago
    "Doesn't believe that voting will fix (the things he's concerned about)" and "thinks voting should be done away with" are two separate things. Would you be similarly confused by the difference between "doesn't believe that eating peanut butter cups will cure bubonic plague" and "wants to ban peanut butter cups, or take away people's right to eat them"? While Thiel could have been more clear here, I don't see any inconsistency in his statements. It may be more confusing if you're one of those people who thinks that government intervention is the One True Solution to every single problem that troubles the human race.
    - vowelless 9y ago
      In the original essay, he seems to imply causality (emphasis mine): > the extension of the franchise to women .... have rendered the notion of “capitalist democracy” into an oxymoron." On the other hand, in the update, he seems to suggest that voting doesn't matter. I find that confusing. Why even establish causality in the original essay if there is no such causality as seemingly described in the edit? > It may be more confusing if you're one of those people who thinks that government intervention is the One True Solution to every single problem that troubles the human race. It might be helpful to not assume too many things from one sentence :)
      - Turing_Machine 9y ago
        > On the other hand, in the update, he seems to suggest that voting doesn't matter. He suggests that voting doesn't matter for the issues that concern him. Do you actually believe that every single problem can be solved by voting? I feel sure that you don't. So what's the issue here?
        vowelless 9y ago
        > Do you actually believe that every single problem can be solved by voting? I am not sure why you keep assuming my own personal opinions about voting, democracy, etc when I have not bothered to share any. I have merely pointed out that his update to the essay seems to muddle the point made in the original essay -- and that I am having trouble parsing it. You parse the update to his essay as "voting doesn't matter for the issues that concern him". I agree -- that is what he seems to be saying in the edit. How do you parse his original statement: "extension of franchise to women has rendered the notion of capitalist democracy into an oxymoron". Assuming he cares about capitalist democracy (based on the content of the essay), that statement certainly seems to imply that voting did matter -- so much so, that extending franchise to new demographics harmed capitalist democracy (the thing he cared about). With that context, his update seems more like an attempt to recover from bad PR than anything else.
- setgree 9y ago
  I stopped when the author wrote that "Orson Scott Card (Ender’s Game) — wove [his] worlds with far-right, reactionary, and even outright fascistic themes and heroes." This is just not at all an accurate read of Ender's Game. The later books, sure -- i.e. the character in one of the Shadow of the X books who says that the purpose of life is to reproduce and that he himself suppressed his homosexuality to fulfill this purpose (???) -- but Ender's Game's themes, while religious, are downright anti-fascist. Thiel actually has said the thing that you quote [0] (though perhaps I'm misunderstanding you). [0] https://www.cato-unbound.org/2009/04/13/peter-thiel/education-libertarian https://www.cato-unbound.org/2009/04/13/peter-thiel/educatio... "Since 1920, the vast increase in welfare beneficiaries and the extension of the franchise to women — two constituencies that are notoriously tough for libertarians — have rendered the notion of “capitalist democracy” into an oxymoron."
  - stevenwoo 9y ago
    Orson Scott Card's speaking outside of the books makes clear he is a far-right reactionary. Some of his books make it clear that he is gay curious and I'm not talking about Ender's Game. I have no idea what to make of this.
    - Kluny 9y ago
      He's made some very strong anti-gay statements, which is usually a sign of a repressed homosexual. There was also a lot of homoeroticism in Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow, made especially troubling by the fact that those characters were prepubescent children.
      - Turing_Machine 9y ago
        "He's made some very strong anti-gay statements, which is usually a sign of a repressed homosexual." You know, I've heard many people make that claim over the years, but I've never seen any evidence for it (there are anecdotal cases where someone who was extremely anti-gay was later outed as gay, yes, sure, but I've seen no evidence that this is always, or even often, the case). People can be racists without being "secretly black", and misogynist without being "secretly women", right?
- nl 9y ago
  I think this isn't a great article, but.. Here's the Thiel quote[1]: Since 1920, the vast increase in welfare beneficiaries and the extension of the franchise to women — two constituencies that are notoriously tough for libertarians — have rendered the notion of “capitalist democracy” into an oxymoron. and his clarification: It would be absurd to suggest that women’s votes will be taken away or that this would solve the political problems that vex us. While I don’t think any class of people should be disenfranchised, I have little hope that voting will make things better. (published at the bottom of that article) So how do I read that and not read something essentially the same as "capitalism is undermined by women being allowed to vote"? Is it merely that he thinks that the right shouldn't be withdrawn? [1] https://www.cato-unbound.org/2009/04/13/peter-thiel/education-libertarian https://www.cato-unbound.org/2009/04/13/peter-thiel/educatio...
jholman 9y ago
Obligatory complaint about the mis-representation of Heinlein. This is an author who also wrote a (glowing) book about anarcho-syndicalists liberating their prison colony from corporatists colonialists (that'd be MiaHM). Does it get more anti-facist than that? This is also the author who wrote a book about how free-love hippies are so much more correct than Mrs Grundy that physics itself obliges the hippies (I'm thinking of SiaSL). But even Starship Troopers is a book not about facism, but about the virtues of service to the collective. (Again, other books talk, extensively, about the problems with service to a collective.) Of course service to a collective is part of a facist state, but it's also part of a democratic state. Well, a healthy one, anyway. Heinlein's politics were diverse and complicated (and sometimes thoughtful, and sometimes wrongheaded), and attempting to summarize them based on a shallow reading of one of his novels is a mistake no legitimate journalist should make.
- Turing_Machine 9y ago
  Pournelle and Card weren't fascists either. The author is clearly one of those who uses "fascist" as a synonym for "a person who isn't a communist", and can thus be safely ignored.
  - fleitz 9y ago
    It’s amazing how popular starving to death is
    - sctb 9y ago
      Could you please try to start following the guidelines? We ban accounts that won't. > Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - mordae 9y ago
    Yeah, Ender was actually devastated by the outcome of his involvement and he works hard to undo his crime in the Speaker For The Dead book.
StavrosK 9y ago
Granted, I didn't read the whole article, but I didn't really get how the author went from "authors write about advanced Nazi societies that are clearly oppressive and evil" to "authors want Nazi societies". Can someone explain? Right now it seems to me that the article has some gaping holes (the average alt-right is a 20-something male working in IT, but so is the average libertarian).
- oblio 9y ago
  > average alt-right is a 20-something male working in IT How so? Or is it just because "alt-right" is an internet construct, normal people just call them "far-right"?
  - deleted 9y ago
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  - StavrosK 9y ago
    I don't really know, that's what the article claimed. It seems odd to me, but I guess they have their sources? But yeah, over here we usually call them "neo-Nazis", as there's a lot of overlap.
    - candiodari 9y ago
      I've only heard that term used to refer to groups in Western Europe. Those groups, incidentally, are very different from what is called the "alt-right" online.
      - StavrosK 9y ago
        Very possibly (I'm from Greece, and Golden Dawn are Neo-Nazis). What's the difference between them and alt-right?
        candiodari 9y ago
        Well for one thing, they alt-right hate the association with Nazis, whereas Neonazi groups in Western Europe are quite open about that connection. They talk and glorify Hitler, (often publicly, which is where a lot of problems are created), profess their hate on Jews, give the Nazi salute, etc. They don't have much of an economic agenda, if any at all, whereas the online groups such as the alt-right are defined by their economic agenda. Neo-Nazis are also much more like the Nazis were: they are a youth movement. Most of what they do is not all that political. They organize parties. They go to soccer matches. They organize ping pong tournaments. They have biker clubs/gangs. They hang out in cafes. (I'm talking about North West Europe, don't know about Golden Dawn) The alt right is much more about extreme laissez-faire, associated with the republican party (Tea Party, etc). You have the same group on the left, sometimes referred to as the alt-left (as in associated with democrats), but the ideology is the same, they're about extreme laissez-faire and small government. Of course this is "very different" from the alt-right. Except, other than the association with the other large US party I can't find any real difference. The funny thing is that of course anti-immigration attitudes (immigration, the concept of moving countries, as opposed to immigrants, the people), historically, was far more associated with the left than the right. You can understand the reasoning too: if the state is to control worker outcomes, then of course the state must strictly control competition. Otherwise, companies simply undercut eachother by hiring cheap labour overseas. So the State must tightly control the borders, for goods and for people, so as to prevent that from happening. Immigration, which directly affects the most important market that socialists want to control, the labour market, must be very tightly controlled if the government is to succeed. I would even go so far as to say it makes very little sense, even today, for ostensibly leftist parties to be pro-open-borders. That is in direct opposition to their stated aims and clearly (and strongly) works against their stated aims. But of course the solution to that conundrum is simple : the entirety of the US is simply extreme-right, extreme laissez-faire. Including Obama, of course, who "nationalized" healthcare into a private sector solution (leftists worldwide went WTF), and spent (sorry "loaned") almost 8 trillion dollars of government money to keep capitalism running.
hnzix 9y ago
Cory Doctorow's Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom is the only novel I've read which deeply explores the cultural impact of pervasive social media coupled with machine learning and post-scarcity. I found it far more thought-provoking than the usual "oh lookie robots errywhere".
Lazare 9y ago
> But these visions of a Nazi tech utopia aren’t just provocative settings for pop sci-fi. In fact, such science fiction and anti-fascist alternative histories reveal how those who imagine our future are deeply attracted to fascism. Wait, what? > Some of science fiction’s most beloved, canonical writers – Robert Heinlein (Starship Troopers, Stranger in a Strange Land), Jerry Pournelle (Lucifer’s Hammer) and, more recently, Orson Scott Card (Ender’s Game) — wove their worlds with far-right, reactionary, and even outright fascistic themes and heroes. False. It may be true that t he later Ender's Game's book have fascistic themes (I haven't read them), and it might even be true that Card has some fascistic beliefs (I'm not familiar with his personal philosophy). But I have read Heinlein and Pournelle in general, those books in specific, and am familiar with their philosophies, and that's simply an incorrect claim to make about Pournelle, and a bizarrely wrong claim to make about Heinlein.
- Turing_Machine 9y ago
  It's pretty bizarre about Pournelle, too. I recall a hit piece that came out after his death equating his beliefs with the CoDominium government in some of his books, blithely ignoring the fact that the CoDominium were not the good guys in those books (far from it).
vadimberman 9y ago
> “The standard Seattle Nazi is a white male under 30 who either works in the tech industry or is going to school to work in the tech industry...” The tech occupation may as well describe an average inhabitant of Seattle. What is the point of the article? Some techies are fascist / alt-right? And...?
YeGoblynQueenne 9y ago
I think this article is best explained as a veiled advertisement of Wolfenstein.

36 points by dcposch 9y ago

> Peter Thiel, who’s written that capitalism is undermined by women being allowed to vote, is an investor in Yarvin’s startup. I don’t know a lot about futurism, but given the author clearly doesn’t seem to know how to fact check I’m going to assume the time I spent getting to this part was wasted.

vowelless 9y ago
The source of the claim comes from here: https://www.cato-unbound.org/2009/04/13/peter-thiel/education-libertarian https://www.cato-unbound.org/2009/04/13/peter-thiel/educatio... > Since 1920, the vast increase in welfare beneficiaries and the extension of the franchise to women — two constituencies that are notoriously tough for libertarians — have rendered the notion of “capitalist democracy” into an oxymoron. Thiel add's an update addressing this point: > It would be absurd to suggest that women’s votes will be taken away or that this would solve the political problems that vex us. While I don’t think any class of people should be disenfranchised, I have little hope that voting will make things better. I frankly have no idea about what he is trying to say.
- forkLding 9y ago
  Is this an outlook on women constituents affecting American libertarianism? Reread the passage several times and have to conclude it sounds like lawyer-speak: words generally make sense but are broad enough to encompass anything and open to judicial interpretation.
- stevenwoo 9y ago
  It definitely sounds like he doesn't believe in democracy and he does believe in some form of libertarianism. I could see how one might argue that once people get an entitlement like Social Security or military procurement programs that have components in forty plus states, it's hard to pare those programs back. On the other hand one might argue something like Social Security for elderly/disabled is what every country with enough development should do, unless one is a libertarian.
- jacalata 9y ago
  I understand him to mean that adding women made it worse, but like many things, you can't simply take it away again and get back to where you were.
  - vowelless 9y ago
    That's how I read the original essay as well. I think the update is an attempt to recover from the negative attention the piece got.
- c3534l 9y ago
  It sounds like he's saying American voters have become increasingly less capitalistic.
- Turing_Machine 9y ago
  "Doesn't believe that voting will fix (the things he's concerned about)" and "thinks voting should be done away with" are two separate things. Would you be similarly confused by the difference between "doesn't believe that eating peanut butter cups will cure bubonic plague" and "wants to ban peanut butter cups, or take away people's right to eat them"? While Thiel could have been more clear here, I don't see any inconsistency in his statements. It may be more confusing if you're one of those people who thinks that government intervention is the One True Solution to every single problem that troubles the human race.
  - vowelless 9y ago
    In the original essay, he seems to imply causality (emphasis mine): > the extension of the franchise to women .... have rendered the notion of “capitalist democracy” into an oxymoron." On the other hand, in the update, he seems to suggest that voting doesn't matter. I find that confusing. Why even establish causality in the original essay if there is no such causality as seemingly described in the edit? > It may be more confusing if you're one of those people who thinks that government intervention is the One True Solution to every single problem that troubles the human race. It might be helpful to not assume too many things from one sentence :)
    - Turing_Machine 9y ago
      > On the other hand, in the update, he seems to suggest that voting doesn't matter. He suggests that voting doesn't matter for the issues that concern him. Do you actually believe that every single problem can be solved by voting? I feel sure that you don't. So what's the issue here?
      - vowelless 9y ago
        > Do you actually believe that every single problem can be solved by voting? I am not sure why you keep assuming my own personal opinions about voting, democracy, etc when I have not bothered to share any. I have merely pointed out that his update to the essay seems to muddle the point made in the original essay -- and that I am having trouble parsing it. You parse the update to his essay as "voting doesn't matter for the issues that concern him". I agree -- that is what he seems to be saying in the edit. How do you parse his original statement: "extension of franchise to women has rendered the notion of capitalist democracy into an oxymoron". Assuming he cares about capitalist democracy (based on the content of the essay), that statement certainly seems to imply that voting did matter -- so much so, that extending franchise to new demographics harmed capitalist democracy (the thing he cared about). With that context, his update seems more like an attempt to recover from bad PR than anything else.
setgree 9y ago
I stopped when the author wrote that "Orson Scott Card (Ender’s Game) — wove [his] worlds with far-right, reactionary, and even outright fascistic themes and heroes." This is just not at all an accurate read of Ender's Game. The later books, sure -- i.e. the character in one of the Shadow of the X books who says that the purpose of life is to reproduce and that he himself suppressed his homosexuality to fulfill this purpose (???) -- but Ender's Game's themes, while religious, are downright anti-fascist. Thiel actually has said the thing that you quote [0] (though perhaps I'm misunderstanding you). [0] https://www.cato-unbound.org/2009/04/13/peter-thiel/education-libertarian https://www.cato-unbound.org/2009/04/13/peter-thiel/educatio... "Since 1920, the vast increase in welfare beneficiaries and the extension of the franchise to women — two constituencies that are notoriously tough for libertarians — have rendered the notion of “capitalist democracy” into an oxymoron."
- stevenwoo 9y ago
  Orson Scott Card's speaking outside of the books makes clear he is a far-right reactionary. Some of his books make it clear that he is gay curious and I'm not talking about Ender's Game. I have no idea what to make of this.
  - Kluny 9y ago
    He's made some very strong anti-gay statements, which is usually a sign of a repressed homosexual. There was also a lot of homoeroticism in Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow, made especially troubling by the fact that those characters were prepubescent children.
    - Turing_Machine 9y ago
      "He's made some very strong anti-gay statements, which is usually a sign of a repressed homosexual." You know, I've heard many people make that claim over the years, but I've never seen any evidence for it (there are anecdotal cases where someone who was extremely anti-gay was later outed as gay, yes, sure, but I've seen no evidence that this is always, or even often, the case). People can be racists without being "secretly black", and misogynist without being "secretly women", right?
nl 9y ago
I think this isn't a great article, but.. Here's the Thiel quote[1]: Since 1920, the vast increase in welfare beneficiaries and the extension of the franchise to women — two constituencies that are notoriously tough for libertarians — have rendered the notion of “capitalist democracy” into an oxymoron. and his clarification: It would be absurd to suggest that women’s votes will be taken away or that this would solve the political problems that vex us. While I don’t think any class of people should be disenfranchised, I have little hope that voting will make things better. (published at the bottom of that article) So how do I read that and not read something essentially the same as "capitalism is undermined by women being allowed to vote"? Is it merely that he thinks that the right shouldn't be withdrawn? [1] https://www.cato-unbound.org/2009/04/13/peter-thiel/education-libertarian https://www.cato-unbound.org/2009/04/13/peter-thiel/educatio...

jholman 9y ago

Obligatory complaint about the mis-representation of Heinlein. This is an author who also wrote a (glowing) book about anarcho-syndicalists liberating their prison colony from corporatists colonialists (that'd be MiaHM). Does it get more anti-facist than that? This is also the author who wrote a book about how free-love hippies are so much more correct than Mrs Grundy that physics itself obliges the hippies (I'm thinking of SiaSL). But even Starship Troopers is a book not about facism, but about the virtues of service to the collective. (Again, other books talk, extensively, about the problems with service to a collective.) Of course service to a collective is part of a facist state, but it's also part of a democratic state. Well, a healthy one, anyway. Heinlein's politics were diverse and complicated (and sometimes thoughtful, and sometimes wrongheaded), and attempting to summarize them based on a shallow reading of one of his novels is a mistake no legitimate journalist should make.

Turing_Machine 9y ago
Pournelle and Card weren't fascists either. The author is clearly one of those who uses "fascist" as a synonym for "a person who isn't a communist", and can thus be safely ignored.
- fleitz 9y ago
  It’s amazing how popular starving to death is
  - sctb 9y ago
    Could you please try to start following the guidelines? We ban accounts that won't. > Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- mordae 9y ago
  Yeah, Ender was actually devastated by the outcome of his involvement and he works hard to undo his crime in the Speaker For The Dead book.

StavrosK 9y ago

Granted, I didn't read the whole article, but I didn't really get how the author went from "authors write about advanced Nazi societies that are clearly oppressive and evil" to "authors want Nazi societies". Can someone explain? Right now it seems to me that the article has some gaping holes (the average alt-right is a 20-something male working in IT, but so is the average libertarian).

oblio 9y ago
> average alt-right is a 20-something male working in IT How so? Or is it just because "alt-right" is an internet construct, normal people just call them "far-right"?
- deleted 9y ago
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- StavrosK 9y ago
  I don't really know, that's what the article claimed. It seems odd to me, but I guess they have their sources? But yeah, over here we usually call them "neo-Nazis", as there's a lot of overlap.
  - candiodari 9y ago
    I've only heard that term used to refer to groups in Western Europe. Those groups, incidentally, are very different from what is called the "alt-right" online.
    - StavrosK 9y ago
      Very possibly (I'm from Greece, and Golden Dawn are Neo-Nazis). What's the difference between them and alt-right?
      - candiodari 9y ago
        Well for one thing, they alt-right hate the association with Nazis, whereas Neonazi groups in Western Europe are quite open about that connection. They talk and glorify Hitler, (often publicly, which is where a lot of problems are created), profess their hate on Jews, give the Nazi salute, etc. They don't have much of an economic agenda, if any at all, whereas the online groups such as the alt-right are defined by their economic agenda. Neo-Nazis are also much more like the Nazis were: they are a youth movement. Most of what they do is not all that political. They organize parties. They go to soccer matches. They organize ping pong tournaments. They have biker clubs/gangs. They hang out in cafes. (I'm talking about North West Europe, don't know about Golden Dawn) The alt right is much more about extreme laissez-faire, associated with the republican party (Tea Party, etc). You have the same group on the left, sometimes referred to as the alt-left (as in associated with democrats), but the ideology is the same, they're about extreme laissez-faire and small government. Of course this is "very different" from the alt-right. Except, other than the association with the other large US party I can't find any real difference. The funny thing is that of course anti-immigration attitudes (immigration, the concept of moving countries, as opposed to immigrants, the people), historically, was far more associated with the left than the right. You can understand the reasoning too: if the state is to control worker outcomes, then of course the state must strictly control competition. Otherwise, companies simply undercut eachother by hiring cheap labour overseas. So the State must tightly control the borders, for goods and for people, so as to prevent that from happening. Immigration, which directly affects the most important market that socialists want to control, the labour market, must be very tightly controlled if the government is to succeed. I would even go so far as to say it makes very little sense, even today, for ostensibly leftist parties to be pro-open-borders. That is in direct opposition to their stated aims and clearly (and strongly) works against their stated aims. But of course the solution to that conundrum is simple : the entirety of the US is simply extreme-right, extreme laissez-faire. Including Obama, of course, who "nationalized" healthcare into a private sector solution (leftists worldwide went WTF), and spent (sorry "loaned") almost 8 trillion dollars of government money to keep capitalism running.

hnzix 9y ago

Cory Doctorow's Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom is the only novel I've read which deeply explores the cultural impact of pervasive social media coupled with machine learning and post-scarcity. I found it far more thought-provoking than the usual "oh lookie robots errywhere".

Lazare 9y ago

> But these visions of a Nazi tech utopia aren’t just provocative settings for pop sci-fi. In fact, such science fiction and anti-fascist alternative histories reveal how those who imagine our future are deeply attracted to fascism. Wait, what? > Some of science fiction’s most beloved, canonical writers – Robert Heinlein (Starship Troopers, Stranger in a Strange Land), Jerry Pournelle (Lucifer’s Hammer) and, more recently, Orson Scott Card (Ender’s Game) — wove their worlds with far-right, reactionary, and even outright fascistic themes and heroes. False. It may be true that t he later Ender's Game's book have fascistic themes (I haven't read them), and it might even be true that Card has some fascistic beliefs (I'm not familiar with his personal philosophy). But I have read Heinlein and Pournelle in general, those books in specific, and am familiar with their philosophies, and that's simply an incorrect claim to make about Pournelle, and a bizarrely wrong claim to make about Heinlein.

Turing_Machine 9y ago
It's pretty bizarre about Pournelle, too. I recall a hit piece that came out after his death equating his beliefs with the CoDominium government in some of his books, blithely ignoring the fact that the CoDominium were not the good guys in those books (far from it).

vadimberman 9y ago

> “The standard Seattle Nazi is a white male under 30 who either works in the tech industry or is going to school to work in the tech industry...” The tech occupation may as well describe an average inhabitant of Seattle. What is the point of the article? Some techies are fascist / alt-right? And...?

YeGoblynQueenne 9y ago

I think this article is best explained as a veiled advertisement of Wolfenstein.