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Toxic work environments eventually change or fail. If talented people don't like it there they'll leave. If consumers don't like the company they'll stop suppor

Toxic work environments eventually change or fail. If talented people don't like it there they'll leave. If consumers don't like the company they'll stop supporting it. There are other economic systems, but that's how capitalism works.

coldtea 9y ago
>Toxic work environments eventually change or fail. How soon that happens? Because it worked wonders for Walmart or McDonalds all these years. >If talented people don't like it there they'll leave. That would only matter if their operation depended on talented people. Which is not really required for McDonalds, Walmart, or Amazon (at the order handling side). At best, those companies have to keep upper management and logistics people happy -- and can continue to screw the replaceable workers forever. >If consumers don't like the company they'll stop supporting it. Most of the masses don't care as long as the price is right. Few stopped buying Nike after the sweatshop complaints, at best they took their "word" that the issue has been solved (and they just moved manufacturing around through various third world countries and added more plausible deniability layers). The hundreds of millions of lower middle class and poorer people have the same problems themselves in their jobs, which makes them thing that is just how things are. The companies know how to put on a "humane" facade, and lots of jobs are not even public facing (the customer wont ever see an Amazon warehouse). And their friends, the media, were they advertise, will give them all the good public relations they need.
zaptheimpaler 9y ago
Thats not how capitalism works, thats what the theory predicts. The sibling comment has plenty of examples of it not working. Anyone who knows just enough econ to be dangerous quotes this kind of crap without acknowledging all the counterexamples we see in the world. Experiment & Observation > Theory.
jopsen 9y ago
Capitalism takes a long time to work. Regulation can make it work faster or slower, depending on how you do :) Pure capitalism works very very slowly, it takes decades and lessons often have to be repeated. People can't account for every factor when they purchase a product. Being a conscious buyers is extremely hard work, a system that relies exclusively on that will take hundreds of years to make even modest progress. We don't have that long time.

coldtea 9y ago

>Toxic work environments eventually change or fail. How soon that happens? Because it worked wonders for Walmart or McDonalds all these years. >If talented people don't like it there they'll leave. That would only matter if their operation depended on talented people. Which is not really required for McDonalds, Walmart, or Amazon (at the order handling side). At best, those companies have to keep upper management and logistics people happy -- and can continue to screw the replaceable workers forever. >If consumers don't like the company they'll stop supporting it. Most of the masses don't care as long as the price is right. Few stopped buying Nike after the sweatshop complaints, at best they took their "word" that the issue has been solved (and they just moved manufacturing around through various third world countries and added more plausible deniability layers). The hundreds of millions of lower middle class and poorer people have the same problems themselves in their jobs, which makes them thing that is just how things are. The companies know how to put on a "humane" facade, and lots of jobs are not even public facing (the customer wont ever see an Amazon warehouse). And their friends, the media, were they advertise, will give them all the good public relations they need.

zaptheimpaler 9y ago

Thats not how capitalism works, thats what the theory predicts. The sibling comment has plenty of examples of it not working. Anyone who knows just enough econ to be dangerous quotes this kind of crap without acknowledging all the counterexamples we see in the world. Experiment & Observation > Theory.

jopsen 9y ago

Capitalism takes a long time to work. Regulation can make it work faster or slower, depending on how you do :) Pure capitalism works very very slowly, it takes decades and lessons often have to be repeated. People can't account for every factor when they purchase a product. Being a conscious buyers is extremely hard work, a system that relies exclusively on that will take hundreds of years to make even modest progress. We don't have that long time.