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It acts like the British were innocent in the civil war. They weren't. They were actively arming and financing the south because they stood to benefit from inte
by arca_vorago 9y ago
It acts like the British were innocent in the civil war. They weren't. They were actively arming and financing the south because they stood to benefit from internal strife in the US, even using their scottish rite southern jurisdiction freemasonic web to help support the KKK (bet you didn't know that one). Palmerston actively engaged in oligarchical subterfuge against the US, and besides the US angle was one of the primary actors behind the 1850 onwards expansion of the British empire worldwide (which they later, for pr purposes, changed in name only to the commonwealth). As part of this was consolidation and removal of what Palmerston called the "arbitrary powers", such as Austria and Russia into that empire, largely through false "national liberation" policy (sound familiar?).
To act as if it was simply the Trent affair that was a main potential instigator of war between the US and Britain is to be extremely myopic about the bigger picture at play. A key forgotten piece of history in this saga is that the Russian tsar was also under threat by the British because they came to him to join them against the US and he refused and then sent two fleets of ships, one to NY and one to SF with sealed orders to attack anyone who attacked the US (in 1863), because the British were prepping for the post civil war collapse invasion, and they even had proxy-troops amassed on the Mexican/Canadian borders! For do not forget under Palmerston, England supports all revolutions, except her own. I also theorize this is why they financed the bolsheviks and post-Bakunin anarchists and assassinated the Tsars sons family later, in revenge for foiling their plans, besides the added step of consolidation/removal of another rival monarchy, as they were doing across Europe.
There is also evidence the the assassination of Lincoln wasn't just a lone nut, but had British backing. (Funnily enough, many US presidential assassinations match this pattern).
The death throes of these losses by the British are the setup for the following world wars, which were engineered largely by Edward the 7th.
If the British had attacked the US during this time using the Trent affair as the excuse, they likely would have created a US-Russia-Prussia coalition that probably would have won, essentially having WW1 in the 1860s instead.
This style of British subterfuge continues to this day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50_iRIcxsz0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50_iRIcxsz0
- walshemj 9y agoSounds like nut job fantasy's of perfidious albion - why would the UK support the south who competed with the UK as a producer of cotton.
- Zerubbabel 9y agoSo that the UK could eventually conquer the United States and seize all cotton production as per the original British conquest and institution of the colonies. The rest of what the above poster speaks is true. If you are unsure, you need to examine history more carefully before you think yourself a fit judge of "nut jobs".
- walshemj 9y agoWhy would you want to conquer another country when you had vast resources already available in India. Though if the anti catholic obsession of the monarchy had been replaced by one to recover the colonies 1812 would have been the time.
- arca_vorago 9y agoVery cool name selection by the way. I hope you stick around hn.
- cryptonector 9y agoThe UK was not a producer of cotton. They were a consumer. Of course the UK tacitly supported the South during the war, and it is no secret that had the right opportunity arisen, they would have openly supported them.
- walshemj 9y agoThe UK was but the "Empire" wasn't
- cryptonector 9y agoThe South had been the UK's biggest cotton supplier prior to the war. If you think that UK textiles manufacturers were ecstatic that hey, now they might get more cotton from Egypt or wherever, you're not right. And those manufacturers employed many, many people in the UK.
- bryanrasmussen 9y ago
- ngold 9y agoWhatever the truth of the matter, that was a fun read nonetheless.
- manangatangy 9y ago>assassinated the Tsars sons family I didn't know about this. Would you expand please.
- arca_vorago 9y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_the_Romanov_family https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_the_Romanov_family