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There are ways to have comments that are a lot less awful than Disqus.

spiderfarmer 9y ago
I scanned the article to see if it was interesting enough to dive into the details, but when I saw the Disqus plugin I closed the tab. What's the point of dropping Adsense if you keep the Disqus plugin?
- burntwater 9y ago
  Simple, they value the discussion capabilities provided by Disqus. Disqus was worth keeping, Adsense was not.
  - spiderfarmer 9y ago
    That’s my point exactly. Did they do the same exercise for Disqus? Or did they get all scientific on evaluating Adsense, and go with a “hunch” for Disqus? That’s like saying “Marlboro cigarettes are harmful, here’s proof, let’s grab a pack of Lucky Strikes and discuss”.
    - gwern 9y ago
      It's more like smoking two brands of cigarettes and then deciding to stop half your smoking; that is surely an improvement... This is just whataboutism. AdSense should be judged on its own merits, and it fails badly: it does nothing I want (aside from delivering quite small amounts of money) at an unacceptable cost. Maybe Disqus is also bad but I would have to ponder how much I want commenting and how to deal with the extant corpus of comments and in any case, at the moment I am gearing up for another ad test to try to figure out what about AdSense is so harmful (and help convince the doubters that there is an effect at all), so I can't test Disqus without complicating things a lot.
gwern 9y ago
Which are and which work with a static Hakyll site?
- snthd 9y ago
  Maybe https://coralproject.net/products/talk.html https://coralproject.net/products/talk.html
  - gwern 9y ago
    That seems to require you to host your own server and doesn't look much better in terms of complexity.
    - KajMagnus 9y ago
      See my comment nearby about EffectiveDiscussions — it's a new commenting system, open source, & there's hosting. (https://www.effectivediscussions.org/blog-comments https://www.effectivediscussions.org/blog-comments if you didn't find my other comment) (What did you mean with "look ... in terms of complexity"? You mean how-complicated-it-is-to-install?)
pault 9y ago
I don't like Disqus mostly because the UX is clunky. Are there other things people dislike about it?
- Freak_NL 9y ago
  Being tracked by a single third party on every site that uses it comes to mind.
- Bartweiss 9y ago
  This is UX-ish, but I regularly have login/posting issues and very slow loading times off Disqus.
- KajMagnus 9y ago
  Disqus shows ads, unless you pay like $10/month. (& tracks your visitors, like someone else mentioned.) Maybe you would instead like the looks of EffectiveDiscussions — it's a new commenting system I'm developing. See my other comment nearby (or, if you didn't find it, go to: https://www.effectivediscussions.org/blog-comments https://www.effectivediscussions.org/blog-comments ).
cisanti 9y ago
Commenting system for static site please? Meaning I don't have to host anything dynamic myself and the price won't kill you.
- KajMagnus 9y ago
  EffectiveDiscussions is a new alternative this year 2017. It's open source, or hosting for $2/month. (I'm developing it.) Demo: https://www.kajmagnus.blog/new-embedded-comments https://www.kajmagnus.blog/new-embedded-comments (That's a static website built with Gatsby.) Read more about it: https://www.effectivediscussions.org/blog-comments https://www.effectivediscussions.org/blog-comments (landing page, not finished) Since it's new, it's a bit risky: maybe some bugs. & has some novel features, inspired by HackerNews actually: https://www.effectivediscussions.org/-32/how-hacker-news-can-be-improved-3-things https://www.effectivediscussions.org/-32/how-hacker-news-can... (but that's not totally ported to embedded-comments yet). Currently implementing single-sign-on.

I scanned the article to see if it was interesting enough to dive into the details, but when I saw the Disqus plugin I closed the tab. What's the point of dropping Adsense if you keep the Disqus plugin?

burntwater 9y ago
Simple, they value the discussion capabilities provided by Disqus. Disqus was worth keeping, Adsense was not.
- spiderfarmer 9y ago
  That’s my point exactly. Did they do the same exercise for Disqus? Or did they get all scientific on evaluating Adsense, and go with a “hunch” for Disqus? That’s like saying “Marlboro cigarettes are harmful, here’s proof, let’s grab a pack of Lucky Strikes and discuss”.
  - gwern 9y ago
    It's more like smoking two brands of cigarettes and then deciding to stop half your smoking; that is surely an improvement... This is just whataboutism. AdSense should be judged on its own merits, and it fails badly: it does nothing I want (aside from delivering quite small amounts of money) at an unacceptable cost. Maybe Disqus is also bad but I would have to ponder how much I want commenting and how to deal with the extant corpus of comments and in any case, at the moment I am gearing up for another ad test to try to figure out what about AdSense is so harmful (and help convince the doubters that there is an effect at all), so I can't test Disqus without complicating things a lot.

gwern 9y ago

Which are and which work with a static Hakyll site?

snthd 9y ago
Maybe https://coralproject.net/products/talk.html https://coralproject.net/products/talk.html
- gwern 9y ago
  That seems to require you to host your own server and doesn't look much better in terms of complexity.
  - KajMagnus 9y ago
    See my comment nearby about EffectiveDiscussions — it's a new commenting system, open source, & there's hosting. (https://www.effectivediscussions.org/blog-comments https://www.effectivediscussions.org/blog-comments if you didn't find my other comment) (What did you mean with "look ... in terms of complexity"? You mean how-complicated-it-is-to-install?)

pault 9y ago

I don't like Disqus mostly because the UX is clunky. Are there other things people dislike about it?

Freak_NL 9y ago
Being tracked by a single third party on every site that uses it comes to mind.
Bartweiss 9y ago
This is UX-ish, but I regularly have login/posting issues and very slow loading times off Disqus.
KajMagnus 9y ago
Disqus shows ads, unless you pay like $10/month. (& tracks your visitors, like someone else mentioned.) Maybe you would instead like the looks of EffectiveDiscussions — it's a new commenting system I'm developing. See my other comment nearby (or, if you didn't find it, go to: https://www.effectivediscussions.org/blog-comments https://www.effectivediscussions.org/blog-comments ).

cisanti 9y ago

Commenting system for static site please? Meaning I don't have to host anything dynamic myself and the price won't kill you.

KajMagnus 9y ago
EffectiveDiscussions is a new alternative this year 2017. It's open source, or hosting for $2/month. (I'm developing it.) Demo: https://www.kajmagnus.blog/new-embedded-comments https://www.kajmagnus.blog/new-embedded-comments (That's a static website built with Gatsby.) Read more about it: https://www.effectivediscussions.org/blog-comments https://www.effectivediscussions.org/blog-comments (landing page, not finished) Since it's new, it's a bit risky: maybe some bugs. & has some novel features, inspired by HackerNews actually: https://www.effectivediscussions.org/-32/how-hacker-news-can-be-improved-3-things https://www.effectivediscussions.org/-32/how-hacker-news-can... (but that's not totally ported to embedded-comments yet). Currently implementing single-sign-on.