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ive heard of this rumor but ive never actually seen it in action. having hired h1bs before, i’m skeptical that anyone but a massive corporation could do somet

ive heard of this rumor but ive never actually seen it in action. having hired h1bs before, i’m skeptical that anyone but a massive corporation could do something like this. the expenses, rules, process would prohibit most teams from accomplishing and maintaining this. and a corporation large enough to pull it off likely wouldn’t derive enough benefit to actually make it worth it given the risk of exposure from either internal or external whistle blowers. i have no doubt there’s fraud in the immigration system, (america is pretty cool after all), i feel like the fraud problem takes shape in different forms than, “mass layoffs in favor of h1b labor.” honestly, i’m more worried about he use of

chrisbennet 9y ago
It’s not a “rumor”. Disney layed off over 100 IT staff and had them train their Indian replacements [1]. Southern California Edison layed off 400 and had them train their Indian replacements. [2] [1] https://www.computerworld.com/article/2915904/it-outsourcing/fury-rises-at-disney-over-use-of-foreign-workers.html https://www.computerworld.com/article/2915904/it-outsourcing... [2] https://www.computerworld.com/article/2879083/it-outsourcing/southern-california-edison-it-workers-beyond-furious-over-h-1b-replacements.html https://www.computerworld.com/article/2879083/it-outsourcing...
- zeusk 9y ago
  The jobs aren't getting transferred to H1Bs, they're getting contracted out to TCS and Infosys who are known for abusing the program by "lending" out their employees as contractors. They're akin to the predatory hiring agencies that provide workers to Amazon's warehouses. Good for Amazon's bottom line and the agency, not so much for the employees or the community. imho, increasing base salary requirement and mandating that employees either work on-site only or are free to jump ship to any company (visa is not associated with the employer) would fix majority of the issues.
  - humanrebar 9y ago
    Isn't this a side effect of adding more regulations onto full-time workers? Seems like if the overhead for a full time employee keeps going up and the regulations keep getting more strict, we'll see more that risk and cost outsourced more and more to companies that specialize in circumventing things and keeping the extra expenses as low as possible. The intent behind these regulations, whether healthcare or immigration control, is really beside the point. I'm wondering if these things are really enforceable in the long run. On top of everything else, as has already been mentioned, the rules seem to provide competitive advantages to large companies (or at least those willing to outsource to them) over small ones. This probably decreases the level of innovation, dynamism, and entrepreneurship in the economy.
tyingq 9y ago
You could reasonably classify the H1Bs issued by companies like Tata, Infosys, and Wipro as abuse. They are quite often used to displace existing workers. That's not the purpose of the H1B program. They are, of course, clever about how they structure these deals, but do get exposed often enough. http://www.epi.org/blog/new-data-infosys-tata-abuse-h-1b-program/ http://www.epi.org/blog/new-data-infosys-tata-abuse-h-1b-pro...
- makmanalp 9y ago
  The question is whether those being rejected are these ones or not, which I don't know if we have enough information to tell.

chrisbennet 9y ago

It’s not a “rumor”. Disney layed off over 100 IT staff and had them train their Indian replacements [1]. Southern California Edison layed off 400 and had them train their Indian replacements. [2] [1] https://www.computerworld.com/article/2915904/it-outsourcing/fury-rises-at-disney-over-use-of-foreign-workers.html https://www.computerworld.com/article/2915904/it-outsourcing... [2] https://www.computerworld.com/article/2879083/it-outsourcing/southern-california-edison-it-workers-beyond-furious-over-h-1b-replacements.html https://www.computerworld.com/article/2879083/it-outsourcing...

zeusk 9y ago
The jobs aren't getting transferred to H1Bs, they're getting contracted out to TCS and Infosys who are known for abusing the program by "lending" out their employees as contractors. They're akin to the predatory hiring agencies that provide workers to Amazon's warehouses. Good for Amazon's bottom line and the agency, not so much for the employees or the community. imho, increasing base salary requirement and mandating that employees either work on-site only or are free to jump ship to any company (visa is not associated with the employer) would fix majority of the issues.
- humanrebar 9y ago
  Isn't this a side effect of adding more regulations onto full-time workers? Seems like if the overhead for a full time employee keeps going up and the regulations keep getting more strict, we'll see more that risk and cost outsourced more and more to companies that specialize in circumventing things and keeping the extra expenses as low as possible. The intent behind these regulations, whether healthcare or immigration control, is really beside the point. I'm wondering if these things are really enforceable in the long run. On top of everything else, as has already been mentioned, the rules seem to provide competitive advantages to large companies (or at least those willing to outsource to them) over small ones. This probably decreases the level of innovation, dynamism, and entrepreneurship in the economy.

tyingq 9y ago

You could reasonably classify the H1Bs issued by companies like Tata, Infosys, and Wipro as abuse. They are quite often used to displace existing workers. That's not the purpose of the H1B program. They are, of course, clever about how they structure these deals, but do get exposed often enough. http://www.epi.org/blog/new-data-infosys-tata-abuse-h-1b-program/ http://www.epi.org/blog/new-data-infosys-tata-abuse-h-1b-pro...

makmanalp 9y ago
The question is whether those being rejected are these ones or not, which I don't know if we have enough information to tell.