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You're making the mistake of thinking that Facebook's dominion ends when you close the facebook.com tab. - Facebook is tracking you over the whole web, buildin

You're making the mistake of thinking that Facebook's dominion ends when you close the facebook.com tab. - Facebook is tracking you over the whole web, building shadow profiles on everybody [1] - Facebook is known to have conducted illegal and unethical experiments on manipulating people's emotions via the timeline. Let that sink in for a moment [2] - Facebook is known to have had a partnership with Disqus for tracking users [3] - Facebook is buying and aggregating user data from data brokers [4] - Facebook now harvests the data of WhatsApp users as well, in spite of the app's original privacy policy [5] - Facebook already knows your friends because it knows their address book [6] - Facebook's tracking through Like buttons all across the web is violating EU law [7] - Any of your friends can give Facebook access to your data [8] We can go on btw, the web is filled with details of their past transgressions. I have no doubts about this — Facebook is one of the most immoral companies to have ever existed and time will prove me right. And yes, Google has a lot of potential for abuse, but they haven't fucked up so badly yet. We don't need to guess how they compare, the evidence is right there. [1] https://spideroak.com/articles/facebook-shadow-profiles-a-profile-of-you-that-you-never-created/ https://spideroak.com/articles/facebook-shadow-profiles-a-pr... [2] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jul/06/we-shouldnt-expect-facebook-to-behave-ethically https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jul/06/we-should... [3] https://blog.dantup.com/2017/01/visiting-a-site-that-uses-disqus-comments-when-not-logged-in-sends-the-url-to-facebook/ https://blog.dantup.com/2017/01/visiting-a-site-that-uses-di... [4] https://www.propublica.org/article/facebook-doesnt-tell-users-everything-it-really-knows-about-them https://www.propublica.org/article/facebook-doesnt-tell-user... [5] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/aug/25/whatsapp-backlash-facebook-data-privacy-users https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/aug/25/whatsapp-... [6] http://users.livejournal.com/joshua-/61105.html http://users.livejournal.com/joshua-/61105.html [7] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/mar/31/facebook-tracks-all-visitors-breaching-eu-law-report https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/mar/31/facebook-... [8] https://spectrum.ieee.org/podcast/telecom/internet/stalking-on-facebook-is-easier-than-you-think https://spectrum.ieee.org/podcast/telecom/internet/stalking-...

lucideer 9y ago
I'm aware of all of this, but my point was that Google does exactly what you described, but on a much much more pervasive level that's almost impossible to opt out of. Again, I'm not defending Facebook. I'm only stating that Google is worse terms of pervasive unavoidable tracking. What each of them do with that data (e.g. emotional manipulation) is an important, but slightly separate topic. To address some of your references: 3 and 4 are real problems and probably the only thing you can never really opt out of with any provider. 8 is actually an old article on a feature since (thankfully) removed. However, even when it was there, it still only involved sharing data you had already volunteered to Facebook. 6 is aggregating data on who you are but not explicitly tracking, unless/until it's actually cross-referenced with 3 and 4, so isn't a problem in isolation The rest are trivially blockable with any content blocker (some of which even come built in to some browsers these days)

lucideer 9y ago

I'm aware of all of this, but my point was that Google does exactly what you described, but on a much much more pervasive level that's almost impossible to opt out of. Again, I'm not defending Facebook. I'm only stating that Google is worse terms of pervasive unavoidable tracking. What each of them do with that data (e.g. emotional manipulation) is an important, but slightly separate topic. To address some of your references: 3 and 4 are real problems and probably the only thing you can never really opt out of with any provider. 8 is actually an old article on a feature since (thankfully) removed. However, even when it was there, it still only involved sharing data you had already volunteered to Facebook. 6 is aggregating data on who you are but not explicitly tracking, unless/until it's actually cross-referenced with 3 and 4, so isn't a problem in isolation The rest are trivially blockable with any content blocker (some of which even come built in to some browsers these days)