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$100/mo? That's $40/mo. more than I charge for 1U of real datacenter space with a 5Mbps (shared) connection. Plus, if you actually start generating a lot of t

by brk 16y ago

$100/mo? That's $40/mo. more than I charge for 1U of real datacenter space with a 5Mbps (shared) connection. Plus, if you actually start generating a lot of traffic I'm not going to randomly cut you off or throttle your connection like Comcast might.

lsc 16y ago
you know what bothers me? when people quote co-lo price in rackspace without power. If you are willing to go with 1/40th of a 15a circuit, 33.7 watts usable, I could sell you 1u for $20/month and I'd be doubling my costs. Of course, running almost anything in that power envelope would be nigh impossible. that's barely enough power to run three 3.5" disks and nothing else. the OP is talking about a quad-core CPU, so we're probably talking at least 120 watts. If you are selling 120 watts and a reasonable amount of bandwidth for $60/month, you are significantly below market (and I'd like more information) but yeah, you do have a point, if he's willing to spend that kinda scratch on connectivity he can get a box co-located. From what Ive seen of the market around here, he's going to be a bit over $100/month, (but, if you are way cheaper than that... seriously, lemme know. I get people pestering me all the time about co-lo and I usually send them away.)
- brk 16y ago
  I include 1 UPS'd outlet. I don't get overly concerned about power draw, it averages out. There is only so much power you can draw in 1U. People coming in with a beefy-ass server are going to tend to want dedicated bandwidth and a small subnet of their own (if not immediately, then when their operation grows), which moves them out of the $60/mo package and in to something more custom. But yes, power IS one of the more costly bits of running a datacenter and I could see where some sites would expect you to run no more than a nite-lite on the power that is included.
  - lsc 16y ago
    >There is only so much power you can draw in 1U that sounds like a challenge to me, and is the opposite of my experience. I used to run a bunch of these: http://www.supermicro.com/Aplus/system/1U/1021/AS-1021TM-T_.cfm http://www.supermicro.com/Aplus/system/1U/1021/AS-1021TM-T_.... with high power CPUs, the goddamn thing would draw four amps. with the advent of socket g34, quad-cpu systems now cost no more than 2x dual-cpu systems, even without the 'two in 1u' bit: http://www.supermicro.com/Aplus/system/1U/1042/AS-1042G-TF.cfm http://www.supermicro.com/Aplus/system/1U/1042/AS-1042G-TF.c... where are you located? I'm in the bay area, (where power is super expensive) and my experience has been that power doesn't average out. people keep wanting to bring in ancient dual netburst Xeon space heaters, "It's only 1u!" even though the goddamn thing eats two and a half amps. this, you see, is why I don't do co-lo anymore. Now, it's possible that power is just so much cheaper for you than it is for me that it doesn't matter... either way, I want more details. seriously, right now I'm recommending other co-lo places on my co-lo order page... http://prgmr.com/san-jose-co-location.html http://prgmr.com/san-jose-co-location.html I know the guy running rippleweb is in sacramento, and is paying around 1/3rd of what I do for power.
    - brk 16y ago
      where are you located Massachusetts.

by brk 16y ago

lsc 16y ago

you know what bothers me? when people quote co-lo price in rackspace without power. If you are willing to go with 1/40th of a 15a circuit, 33.7 watts usable, I could sell you 1u for $20/month and I'd be doubling my costs. Of course, running almost anything in that power envelope would be nigh impossible. that's barely enough power to run three 3.5" disks and nothing else. the OP is talking about a quad-core CPU, so we're probably talking at least 120 watts. If you are selling 120 watts and a reasonable amount of bandwidth for $60/month, you are significantly below market (and I'd like more information) but yeah, you do have a point, if he's willing to spend that kinda scratch on connectivity he can get a box co-located. From what Ive seen of the market around here, he's going to be a bit over $100/month, (but, if you are way cheaper than that... seriously, lemme know. I get people pestering me all the time about co-lo and I usually send them away.)

brk 16y ago
I include 1 UPS'd outlet. I don't get overly concerned about power draw, it averages out. There is only so much power you can draw in 1U. People coming in with a beefy-ass server are going to tend to want dedicated bandwidth and a small subnet of their own (if not immediately, then when their operation grows), which moves them out of the $60/mo package and in to something more custom. But yes, power IS one of the more costly bits of running a datacenter and I could see where some sites would expect you to run no more than a nite-lite on the power that is included.
- lsc 16y ago
  >There is only so much power you can draw in 1U that sounds like a challenge to me, and is the opposite of my experience. I used to run a bunch of these: http://www.supermicro.com/Aplus/system/1U/1021/AS-1021TM-T_.cfm http://www.supermicro.com/Aplus/system/1U/1021/AS-1021TM-T_.... with high power CPUs, the goddamn thing would draw four amps. with the advent of socket g34, quad-cpu systems now cost no more than 2x dual-cpu systems, even without the 'two in 1u' bit: http://www.supermicro.com/Aplus/system/1U/1042/AS-1042G-TF.cfm http://www.supermicro.com/Aplus/system/1U/1042/AS-1042G-TF.c... where are you located? I'm in the bay area, (where power is super expensive) and my experience has been that power doesn't average out. people keep wanting to bring in ancient dual netburst Xeon space heaters, "It's only 1u!" even though the goddamn thing eats two and a half amps. this, you see, is why I don't do co-lo anymore. Now, it's possible that power is just so much cheaper for you than it is for me that it doesn't matter... either way, I want more details. seriously, right now I'm recommending other co-lo places on my co-lo order page... http://prgmr.com/san-jose-co-location.html http://prgmr.com/san-jose-co-location.html I know the guy running rippleweb is in sacramento, and is paying around 1/3rd of what I do for power.
  - brk 16y ago
    where are you located Massachusetts.