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I don't mean to be an arse, but if you agree with my point, then maybe you can see why I disagree that your "that and" is a valid strike against React/in favour

I don't mean to be an arse, but if you agree with my point, then maybe you can see why I disagree that your "that and" is a valid strike against React/in favour of Vue.

ZenoArrow 9y ago
Simplicity makes picking up the unfamiliar easier. You can't accurately deduce from time alone that the time to pick up Vue was based on familiarity with similar libraries.
- allover 9y ago
  > Simplicity makes picking up the unfamiliar easier. The talk I referenced talks about how the opposite is often true. Tools that result in objectively simpler systems can come with a initially steeper learning curve. > You can't accurately deduce from time alone that the time to pick up Vue was based on familiarity with similar libraries. True, I was really just suggesting questioning instincts when evaluating tools based on the initial 'time to get started'.
  - ZenoArrow 9y ago
    > "The talk I referenced talks about how the opposite is often true. Tools that result in objectively simpler systems can come with a initially steeper learning curve." I'm aware of Rich Hickey and Clojure. In my experience with Lisps, although they are superficially simple, they make you do more abstraction work than is necessary in more commonly used high-level imperative languages. Lisp seems to strongly encourage building a high number of helper functions, which is fine if you're highly opinionated about how a job should be done, and less so if you just want to import some battle-tested libraries and write something that gets the job done. I suspect this is where the learning curve with Clojure really comes in, in that it's more closely related to being learn how to architect an application in a Lisp-friendly way than it is about getting familiar with the language.
    - allover 9y ago
      Totally agree actually, I love all Rich's talks and agree with almost every word of Simple Made Easy but I don't necessarily agree with the conclusion he takes it to (Clojure). I've heard it suggested somewhere that possibly the leap is in believing that 'a simple thing + a simple thing = a simple thing'.

I don't mean to be an arse, but if you agree with my point, then maybe you can see why I disagree that your "that and" is a valid strike against React/in favour of Vue.

ZenoArrow 9y ago

Simplicity makes picking up the unfamiliar easier. You can't accurately deduce from time alone that the time to pick up Vue was based on familiarity with similar libraries.

allover 9y ago
> Simplicity makes picking up the unfamiliar easier. The talk I referenced talks about how the opposite is often true. Tools that result in objectively simpler systems can come with a initially steeper learning curve. > You can't accurately deduce from time alone that the time to pick up Vue was based on familiarity with similar libraries. True, I was really just suggesting questioning instincts when evaluating tools based on the initial 'time to get started'.
- ZenoArrow 9y ago
  > "The talk I referenced talks about how the opposite is often true. Tools that result in objectively simpler systems can come with a initially steeper learning curve." I'm aware of Rich Hickey and Clojure. In my experience with Lisps, although they are superficially simple, they make you do more abstraction work than is necessary in more commonly used high-level imperative languages. Lisp seems to strongly encourage building a high number of helper functions, which is fine if you're highly opinionated about how a job should be done, and less so if you just want to import some battle-tested libraries and write something that gets the job done. I suspect this is where the learning curve with Clojure really comes in, in that it's more closely related to being learn how to architect an application in a Lisp-friendly way than it is about getting familiar with the language.
  - allover 9y ago
    Totally agree actually, I love all Rich's talks and agree with almost every word of Simple Made Easy but I don't necessarily agree with the conclusion he takes it to (Clojure). I've heard it suggested somewhere that possibly the leap is in believing that 'a simple thing + a simple thing = a simple thing'.