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i like OS but the desktop UX is where linux was years ago

by zemanel 16y ago

rbanffy 16y ago
It may not be as flashy in some respects, but things like the time slider are killer http://blogs.sun.com/erwann/entry/zfs_on_the_desktop_zfs http://blogs.sun.com/erwann/entry/zfs_on_the_desktop_zfs It they aren't done already, I suppose integrating these parts to newer versions of Gnome is, at least, in the pipeline for *BSD folks (and, once ported to current Gnome, they would be rather easy to adapt it to BtrFS, which is to be fully supported by canned linux distros by the end of the year). Just now, OpenSolaris is a very cool server OS with a slightly old Gnome desktop on top of it.
mapleoin 16y ago
It's approximately where RHEL5 (and maybe other enterprisey distros) is right now, which is an old version of gnome. I don't think that's a big problem to solve, provided they actually get more man-power.
- nailer 16y ago
  Please. The version of GNOME you'll find in Sol 10 is way behind RHEL 5, the desktop / kernel integration is poor, and the amount of apps that actually make use of the desktop is minimal.
  - mapleoin 16y ago
    We were discussing OpenSolaris, not Solaris 10. I looked it up and it looks like they have gnome 2.30 since their 2009.06 release[1] which is actually the latest version. [1] http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=opensolaris http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=opensolaris
    - rythie 16y ago
      There are also some screenshots in there: http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/screenshots/index.php?linux_distribution_sm=OpenSolaris%202008.11 http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/screenshots/...
    - nailer 16y ago
      Then the better comparison is Fedora - while support contracts exist for OpenSolaris (whose last version was actually supposed to be 2010.03, but which was cancelled), very few people use them and Sun/Oracle will encourage you to use, and train for, Sol 10.
barrkel 16y ago
I'd distinguish between OpenSolaris the distribution and Solaris the kernel; and my interest in this lies in the server side of things, not UI. I'm currently using Nexenta, which uses the Solaris kernel with a server-oriented Debian userland. The things Solaris brings along, ZFS, dtrace, SMF etc. are not hugely relevant to the desktop.
- danieldk 16y ago
  Debian/Solaris is where things should be heading IMO. It gives the package management and up-to-date userland of Debian, while bringing most of Solaris' assets. And it seems that Nexenta developers would like to make Debian/Solaris a reality: http://lists.debian.org/debian-derivatives/2010/06/msg00022.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-derivatives/2010/06/msg00022.... Very promising!
- rbanffy 16y ago
  > The things Solaris brings along, ZFS (...) are not hugely relevant to the desktop Have you ever accidentally deleted your MP3 collection? ;-)
  - barrkel 16y ago
    Indeed I have not, in fact I usually disable file deletion confirmation prompts and also delayed deletion mechanisms like Windows' Recycle Bin. ZFS snapshots are more useful to me as a kind of system-wide version control; I don't use them often. The few times I have deleted things accidentally - perhaps 3 times in the past 5 years - I've recovered in a few moments from backups. I've lost more data to hard drive failures with somewhat stale backups than accidental deletion. The redundancy of ZFS raidz / raidz2 / mirroring etc. is useful to reduce the risk disk failure, but of course offsite backup is the gold standard.

i like OS but the desktop UX is where linux was years ago

by zemanel 16y ago

i like OS but the desktop UX is where linux was years ago

It may not be as flashy in some respects, but things like the time slider are killer http://blogs.sun.com/erwann/entry/zfs_on_the_desktop_zfs http://blogs.sun.com/erwann/entry/zfs_on_the_desktop_zfs It they aren't done already, I suppose integrating these parts to newer versions of Gnome is, at least, in the pipeline for *BSD folks (and, once ported to current Gnome, they would be rather easy to adapt it to BtrFS, which is to be fully supported by canned linux distros by the end of the year). Just now, OpenSolaris is a very cool server OS with a slightly old Gnome desktop on top of it.

mapleoin 16y ago

It's approximately where RHEL5 (and maybe other enterprisey distros) is right now, which is an old version of gnome. I don't think that's a big problem to solve, provided they actually get more man-power.

nailer 16y ago
Please. The version of GNOME you'll find in Sol 10 is way behind RHEL 5, the desktop / kernel integration is poor, and the amount of apps that actually make use of the desktop is minimal.
- mapleoin 16y ago
  We were discussing OpenSolaris, not Solaris 10. I looked it up and it looks like they have gnome 2.30 since their 2009.06 release[1] which is actually the latest version. [1] http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=opensolaris http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=opensolaris
  - rythie 16y ago
    There are also some screenshots in there: http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/screenshots/index.php?linux_distribution_sm=OpenSolaris%202008.11 http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/screenshots/...
  - nailer 16y ago
    Then the better comparison is Fedora - while support contracts exist for OpenSolaris (whose last version was actually supposed to be 2010.03, but which was cancelled), very few people use them and Sun/Oracle will encourage you to use, and train for, Sol 10.

barrkel 16y ago

I'd distinguish between OpenSolaris the distribution and Solaris the kernel; and my interest in this lies in the server side of things, not UI. I'm currently using Nexenta, which uses the Solaris kernel with a server-oriented Debian userland. The things Solaris brings along, ZFS, dtrace, SMF etc. are not hugely relevant to the desktop.

danieldk 16y ago
Debian/Solaris is where things should be heading IMO. It gives the package management and up-to-date userland of Debian, while bringing most of Solaris' assets. And it seems that Nexenta developers would like to make Debian/Solaris a reality: http://lists.debian.org/debian-derivatives/2010/06/msg00022.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-derivatives/2010/06/msg00022.... Very promising!
rbanffy 16y ago
> The things Solaris brings along, ZFS (...) are not hugely relevant to the desktop Have you ever accidentally deleted your MP3 collection? ;-)
- barrkel 16y ago
  Indeed I have not, in fact I usually disable file deletion confirmation prompts and also delayed deletion mechanisms like Windows' Recycle Bin. ZFS snapshots are more useful to me as a kind of system-wide version control; I don't use them often. The few times I have deleted things accidentally - perhaps 3 times in the past 5 years - I've recovered in a few moments from backups. I've lost more data to hard drive failures with somewhat stale backups than accidental deletion. The redundancy of ZFS raidz / raidz2 / mirroring etc. is useful to reduce the risk disk failure, but of course offsite backup is the gold standard.