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>Is the author seriously so deep in the "Apple-is-the-world" bubble that he has not yet heard of BigLittle? Why the rude comment?

by ksk 9y ago

ajross 9y ago
In this case it's probably genuine surprise. The ARM big.LITTLE trick (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_big.LITTLE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_big.LITTLE) been workable and shipping on real devices for half a decade now[1]. This is not particularly innovative ground, and to write a whole blog post without even mentioning the fact or doing a comparison with any of the existing devices implies that maybe the author didn't do enough research. Whether that's worth being "rude" or not is an exercise for the reader. [1] Edit to add: and producing fairly "meh" results as far as power consumption goes vs. their more conventional quad-core competitors. Honestly it's not impossible that Apple found some tricks to exploit here that the other SoC vendors haven't, but this post didn't find them.
- ksk 9y ago
  >This is not particularly innovative ground, and to write a whole blog post without even mentioning the fact or doing a comparison with any of the existing devices implies that maybe the author didn't do enough research. The blog context is made clear in the second sentence "With the release of the iPhone X, I set out to see if I could observe these heterogeneous cores in action.". If the context was "Here is the current state of heterogeneous computing on mobile devices", you might have a point. As to whether its innovative or not, Surely, you agree that designing a chip is more than just the bumper sticker definition of "it has cores with different speeds". But maybe you're right and it isn't innovative at all. It would be interesting to find out. >This is not particularly innovative ground, and to write a whole blog post without even mentioning the fact or doing a comparison with any of the existing devices implies that maybe the author didn't do enough research. I don't think it implies that at all. If a C++ dev is excited about a new C++ feature and writes an article, it doesn't mean they're automatically ignorant about other languages that already have this feature.
- jws 9y ago
  The article clearly begins that this is the first arrival for iOS and this is an exploration of the feature in iOS.
- mikeash 9y ago
  It's an Apple-focused blog. If you want someone to write up a comparison with existing non-Apple CPUs then maybe you should write it.
cooper12 9y ago
It's Apple. Gotta put those iSheep in their place, know what I mean?
- dang 9y ago
  Would you please stop posting unsubstantive and/or inflammatory comments to HN? You've done this quite a lot, and we eventually ban such accounts. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - cooper12 9y ago
    Oh please, the other comments weren't inflammatory? My comment certainly was substantive in pointing out a long-term trend I've noticed in blind Apple-bashing on HN without substance. Sorry I care about the quality of HN commentary, which has really taken a nosedive in recent years. You're definitely doing such a great job keeping it high /s. You're actually part of the problem by being more concerned about me stepping on toes than the actual issue at hand. Funny how I never see mods like you step in when other inflammatory bait is posted though such as the threads on women in tech. Turns out its okay to barf out any garbage you like as long as you mask your tone well enough and it doesn't offend the reactionaries. Don't blame me, I'm only reacting to low-effort commentary in turn. Quality discourse begets quality discourse, not the opposite. If you ban me, it'll only vindicate my belief that HN is more concerned about being an echo chamber for techbros and is diametrically opposed to any dissent. If mods like you did their jobs, low-effort crap would be hidden and the users chided, but instead you shoot the messengers who try to preserve some semblance of quality. I'm usually a civil contributor which is obvious from my post history, but I won't just sit by while the culture of HN deteriorates and others tolerate it because somehow low-effort commentary is equivalent to every other type. Sorry I didn't coddle those users when I pointed out the circlejerk :(. If the HN you want to create is one where people just mindlessly regurgitate the latest tech meme and make low-effort pop culture references, more power to you.
bipson 9y ago
Please mind that the rudeness is your interpretation. I was just astonished how it doesn't mention BigLittle at all. Not a single word. On the other hand, he had enough time to go on a history lesson about multicore for PowerPC first introduced for Macs, which I found considerably less relevant, technically.
- dang 9y ago
  It's not just interpretation, because your comment broke the HN guidelines. If you call someone "seriously so deep in the [some-idiotic-opinion] bubble", you're doing two things we ask people not to: (1) snarking, and (2) calling names. Would you mind reading https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and following those rules when commenting here, even when someone hasn't mentioned a relevant technology in their article?

>Is the author seriously so deep in the "Apple-is-the-world" bubble that he has not yet heard of BigLittle? Why the rude comment?

by ksk 9y ago

>Is the author seriously so deep in the "Apple-is-the-world" bubble that he has not yet heard of BigLittle? Why the rude comment?

ajross 9y ago

In this case it's probably genuine surprise. The ARM big.LITTLE trick (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_big.LITTLE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_big.LITTLE) been workable and shipping on real devices for half a decade now[1]. This is not particularly innovative ground, and to write a whole blog post without even mentioning the fact or doing a comparison with any of the existing devices implies that maybe the author didn't do enough research. Whether that's worth being "rude" or not is an exercise for the reader. [1] Edit to add: and producing fairly "meh" results as far as power consumption goes vs. their more conventional quad-core competitors. Honestly it's not impossible that Apple found some tricks to exploit here that the other SoC vendors haven't, but this post didn't find them.

ksk 9y ago
>This is not particularly innovative ground, and to write a whole blog post without even mentioning the fact or doing a comparison with any of the existing devices implies that maybe the author didn't do enough research. The blog context is made clear in the second sentence "With the release of the iPhone X, I set out to see if I could observe these heterogeneous cores in action.". If the context was "Here is the current state of heterogeneous computing on mobile devices", you might have a point. As to whether its innovative or not, Surely, you agree that designing a chip is more than just the bumper sticker definition of "it has cores with different speeds". But maybe you're right and it isn't innovative at all. It would be interesting to find out. >This is not particularly innovative ground, and to write a whole blog post without even mentioning the fact or doing a comparison with any of the existing devices implies that maybe the author didn't do enough research. I don't think it implies that at all. If a C++ dev is excited about a new C++ feature and writes an article, it doesn't mean they're automatically ignorant about other languages that already have this feature.
jws 9y ago
The article clearly begins that this is the first arrival for iOS and this is an exploration of the feature in iOS.
mikeash 9y ago
It's an Apple-focused blog. If you want someone to write up a comparison with existing non-Apple CPUs then maybe you should write it.

cooper12 9y ago

It's Apple. Gotta put those iSheep in their place, know what I mean?

dang 9y ago
Would you please stop posting unsubstantive and/or inflammatory comments to HN? You've done this quite a lot, and we eventually ban such accounts. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- cooper12 9y ago
  Oh please, the other comments weren't inflammatory? My comment certainly was substantive in pointing out a long-term trend I've noticed in blind Apple-bashing on HN without substance. Sorry I care about the quality of HN commentary, which has really taken a nosedive in recent years. You're definitely doing such a great job keeping it high /s. You're actually part of the problem by being more concerned about me stepping on toes than the actual issue at hand. Funny how I never see mods like you step in when other inflammatory bait is posted though such as the threads on women in tech. Turns out its okay to barf out any garbage you like as long as you mask your tone well enough and it doesn't offend the reactionaries. Don't blame me, I'm only reacting to low-effort commentary in turn. Quality discourse begets quality discourse, not the opposite. If you ban me, it'll only vindicate my belief that HN is more concerned about being an echo chamber for techbros and is diametrically opposed to any dissent. If mods like you did their jobs, low-effort crap would be hidden and the users chided, but instead you shoot the messengers who try to preserve some semblance of quality. I'm usually a civil contributor which is obvious from my post history, but I won't just sit by while the culture of HN deteriorates and others tolerate it because somehow low-effort commentary is equivalent to every other type. Sorry I didn't coddle those users when I pointed out the circlejerk :(. If the HN you want to create is one where people just mindlessly regurgitate the latest tech meme and make low-effort pop culture references, more power to you.

bipson 9y ago

Please mind that the rudeness is your interpretation. I was just astonished how it doesn't mention BigLittle at all. Not a single word. On the other hand, he had enough time to go on a history lesson about multicore for PowerPC first introduced for Macs, which I found considerably less relevant, technically.

dang 9y ago
It's not just interpretation, because your comment broke the HN guidelines. If you call someone "seriously so deep in the [some-idiotic-opinion] bubble", you're doing two things we ask people not to: (1) snarking, and (2) calling names. Would you mind reading https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and following those rules when commenting here, even when someone hasn't mentioned a relevant technology in their article?