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It's (un)surprising how fast YouTube responds to this somewhat mild criticism, while holding steady on their radio silence regarding the large amounts of huge c

It's (un)surprising how fast YouTube responds to this somewhat mild criticism, while holding steady on their radio silence regarding the large amounts of huge creators who are getting demonetized and community strikes against their accounts. Nearly every big channel I watch has posted a video complaining about it in the past 2 months, with many just this week. Gives you some good insight on where their priorities are.

lucisferre 9y ago
I must be out of the loop here, can you post some context for this?
- reustle 9y ago
  Here are a few from my subscriptions page: ElectroBoom: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjN3j0jZirs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjN3j0jZirs Abroad In Japan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5lMM160etI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5lMM160etI AvE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSxgn0_yU-8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSxgn0_yU-8 Neistat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZakJFqdpRY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZakJFqdpRY Philip DeFranco: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOa6PA8XQtQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOa6PA8XQtQ
  - falcolas 9y ago
    Another, experiencing a 90%+ drop in YouTube revenue since the latest update: Sid Alpha: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe5eODFxwy0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe5eODFxwy0
  - porfirium 9y ago
    ReviewBrah: https://twitter.com/TROTWOfficial/status/920395476209471489 https://twitter.com/TROTWOfficial/status/920395476209471489 https://twitter.com/TROTWOfficial/status/925346887753969664 https://twitter.com/TROTWOfficial/status/925346887753969664 https://twitter.com/TROTWOfficial/status/926838929751465984 https://twitter.com/TROTWOfficial/status/926838929751465984
    - justaman 9y ago
      HOW? This guy is basically a 1950's white-picket fence gentleman. I think we are seeing a concerted effort to attack major YT channels into leaving YT.
      - krapp 9y ago
        My pet conspiracy theory regarding Youtube is that Google wants to pivot it to compete with Netflix and Amazon, and replace user-submitted content with exclusive, licensed content that might actually make money. But Google doesn't want to risk the PR nightmare of admitting that they no longer want 99% of their userbase poisoning the well for the 1%, so they use pretexts like demonetizing content to encourage them to go elsewhere. It's probably not true, but Google either seems to be fantastically inept or malicious at this point, when it comes to their interactions with content creators and their UX.
    - needz 9y ago
      This guy is as wholesome as wholesome can possibly be and he was still demonetized. Wears suits, is cordial with his viewers, doesn't curse... what more could YT want?
  - maturz 9y ago
    Also Joe goes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaU-SgsZnIw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaU-SgsZnIw Reddit has a lot more examples https://www.reddit.com/r/all/search?q=demonetized&sort=top https://www.reddit.com/r/all/search?q=demonetized&sort=top
- Joe-Z 9y ago
  Just this week: Popular science channel "Cody's Lab" got his account suspended. https://www.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/7b3v93/12million_sub_channel_codyslab_suspended_lets/ https://www.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/7b3v93/12million_s...
  - justaman 9y ago
    Absolute shame and I cannot wait until TY dies its inevitable lonely death.
- mtgx 9y ago
  You can Google "Adpocalypse" for more info on this. Here are a couple of articles on it: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/17/arts/youtube-broadcasters-algorithm-ads.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/17/arts/youtube-broadcasters... http://www.tubefilter.com/2017/05/04/how-youtube-adpocalypse-affected-top-creators/ http://www.tubefilter.com/2017/05/04/how-youtube-adpocalypse... It started when some big advertisers made waves about their ads being placed on "extremist" videos on YouTube. Some quit Google's network at the time, too. To beg them back, Google essentially started removing anything that might upset those big advertisers. Like anything at all. The "demonetization" actually came a bit later when there was backlash against those removals from users, so it was Google's way to "compromise". It wouldn't remove the more "sensitive" (but not extremist) videos, but it would demonetize them without much thought.
  - ghaff 9y ago
    Is this even slightly surprising (or unreasonable)? An ad placement agency--which is effectively what google is acting as from an advertising perspective--wants safe, uncontroversial placements for at least most of their clients, especially big mainstream ones. They're mostly not looking for "edgy." The main surprise to me is that advertising support for a fair bit of non-mainstream content has held up as long as it has.
    - Feniks 9y ago
      No its not. Companies care about their brand and have always wanted some assurance that their ads don't show up in something controversial. There is actually a really simple solution here that nobody wants to talk about. DO NOT MONETIZE YOUR VIDEO
    - rrhd 9y ago
      The boundary for what gets demonitized are arbitrary and ridiculous. It's not just people dropping racial slurs or showing graphic violence. It's comedy channels, science channels, etc... It's probably the only thing they can do, but it really is an awful way to treat people who should be your partners.
- gadders 9y ago
  Also Bro Science Life and Gaad Sad.
imron 9y ago
> how fast YouTube responds to this somewhat mild criticism Fast? People have been complaining about this for ages.
- edgarvaldes 9y ago
  The article even mentions an early report on the trend, from february: https://www.theverge.com/2017/2/20/14489052/youtube-kids-videos-superheroes-disney-characters-fart-jokes https://www.theverge.com/2017/2/20/14489052/youtube-kids-vid...
mtgx 9y ago
YouTube is trying to become TVTube. That's why.
gipp 9y ago
2 weeks ago: https://www.polygon.com/2017/10/27/16556980/youtube-demonetization-update-adpocalypse https://www.polygon.com/2017/10/27/16556980/youtube-demoneti... People also need to realize that the alternative is massive amounts of ad dollars simply being removed from YouTube altogether. The demonetization drive came from advertisers' outrage over the lack of control over where their ads appear. Without the demonetization push, they start pulling out en masse and everyone loses out.
- TheCoreh 9y ago
  Or, they could create two separate ad categories by including an option like "Allow ad to be displayed on potentially controversial, offensive or profane content". That way instead if being demonetized videos could simply be moved to this bucket and get ads from less high profile brands, that don't care about this.
  - watwut 9y ago
    Advertisers from France will never agree with advertisers from America on what is controversial. Not even speaking about advertisers from Saudi Arabia.
    - Feniks 9y ago
      Excellent point. Saying vagina in the Netherlands isn't a big deal, in the US the FCC would be calling your boss.
      - nerpderp83 9y ago
        https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/obscene-indecent-and-profane-broadcasts https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/obscene-indecent-and-pr... Some serious double think right there. What a shitty fucking law.
      - matt4077 9y ago
        "Vagina" is actually allowed. Also, this is among the gems of the google infobox: https://www.google.com/search?rls=en&q=fcc+forbidden+words https://www.google.com/search?rls=en&q=fcc+forbidden+words
pjc50 9y ago
Creators aren't paying google. Creators are the product.
- falcolas 9y ago
  No, creators are the bait that bring the real product (our eyeballs) to the site in the first place. Those eyeballs; those are the real product being sold.
- EADGBE 9y ago
  I was going to say something just like this, only more wordy and less to-the-point. This is perfect.
- izacus 9y ago
  Without creators Google doesn't earn money.
  - cfarre 9y ago
    Agree!
kakarot 9y ago
Standard political maneuvering. Change the conversation by focusing on other problems and tooting your own horn in the process so loudly that people can't think straight
dalbasal 9y ago
Based on who the complainers I’ve seen are, I’m sure that at the very least youtube threw out some baby with bathwater. But that said, their monetisation has not been successful. They do need to make big, hard changes. A lot of what monetisation did was encourage spam, or content quality just above the spam threshold. Meanwhile, patreon (though obviously which a much smaller footprint) seems to encourage the kind of content youtube should want to encourage.
- wickawic 9y ago
  I'm really surprised Youtube hasn't implemented some sort of Patreon-like payment scheme. Seems like they are off making Youtube TV because no one learns anything and we must repeat the same mistakes indefinitely.
- vostrocity 9y ago
  I think an interesting question is whether kids raised on this content "barely above the spam threshold" have different cognitive functions and/or appreciation of content later in life. Maybe these kids raised on mass-produced low-quality content will care less about aesthetic integrity or NPR-type content as adults?
  - dalbasal 9y ago
    If by aesthetic integrity, you mean the quality of production or a more traditional, even and smooth style of film cutting, then that's not what I mean by quality. You can have serious documentary style cutting with crap content or amateur-reality-TV-promo cutting with great content. But I think that on that front, yes. If you grow up on a style, you might like it later too. What I meant by just above the spam threshold is just a mishmash of content thoughtlessly cut together to match a keyword result, game the "up next" suggestion engine and/or draw clicks through shameless clickbait.
ravenstine 9y ago
A couple channels I used to enjoy have clearly limited their swearing, probably because they are afraid of losing their livelihood. I just see this as yet another reason to have adblock installed. Hope you're learning to enjoy cable TV again, folks!
- imustbeevil 9y ago
  YouTube hosts, monetizes, and promotes their content for free, and you're upset they can't curse as much anymore. People like Philip Defranco, while still pointing out the damage YouTube is doing to the ecosystem, monetize outside of YouTube to maintain control of their product. If the people you watch don't have a Patreon / Sponsors / merch, they are willingly submitting to the YouTube monetization algorithm. It feels kind of entitled to want to get money from YouTube ads, but not produce content that those advertisers are willing to place ads on.
  - AckSyn 9y ago
    You hit the nail on the head. It's all about entitlement and that includes whining about the free lunch being taken away.
  - maxscam 9y ago
    Swearing seems such a light reason though
  - CPLX 9y ago
    You have a pretty curious definition of "for free" here. My understanding is that YouTube sells billions of dollars of advertising against this content and keeps quite of bit of that money for themselves.
    - ghaff 9y ago
      Not charging you for something is a pretty conventional definition for "free." Of course, they have their own motives to not charge you for hosting videos--which includes making money off associated advertising.
asveikau 9y ago
As a parent I must say if they acted quickly here I would like to know what acting slowly looks like. The creepy, scammy, sometimes illicit toy video thing has been going for years and this is the first I have heard of any crackdown.
LyndsySimon 9y ago
What communities are you seeing this in? In the firearms/gun rights communities, it seems like the prevailing opinion is that YouTube is specifically targeting them based on political bias. I've not really considering it much, but your comment makes me wonder if their issues are part of a much larger pattern.
- deleted 9y ago
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- rrhd 9y ago
  > it seems like the prevailing opinion is that YouTube is specifically targeting them based on political bias That's because they like to be victims. It's all about the narrative. If you look around you see this happening broadly. You see a lot of people concerned about it who don't even mention politics.
  - justaman 9y ago
    Generally its the left that tends to play the victim card for sympathy points. Clearly both sides do this however because its(unfortunately) a powerful card to play. If you look at independent conservative youtubers such as Lauren Southern in particular you'll see the clear bias YT has.
    - rrhd 9y ago
      The left likes to play victim about other things. Conservatives love to push the idea that they were targeted purely for being conservative. Look at the reaction around Damore, for example. It's all about how conservatives are being oppressed, how you can't trust the media and tech because they hate conservatives.
    - rat87 9y ago
      > If you look at independent conservative youtubers such as Lauren Southern https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauren_Southern https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauren_Southern > Lauren Southern (/ˈsʌðərn/; born 16 June,[3] 1995) is a Canadian far-right political activist, book author, and internet personality associated with the alt-right.[4][5][6] In 2015, Southern ran as a Libertarian Party candidate in the Canadian federal election. She worked for The Rebel Media, a far-right online media company based in Canada, until leaving in March 2017. She also tried to physically prevent refugee rescuers with a far right "identitarian" group Now she doesn't sound so innocent and the reason for YT decision seems pretty clear and uncontroversial
sp332 9y ago
Here's the official YouTube twitter account promoting a video after demonetizing the channel. Warning: the comments are awful. https://mobile.twitter.com/YouTube/status/927958836308299777 https://mobile.twitter.com/YouTube/status/927958836308299777
rat87 9y ago
Fast? This stuff has been talked about for months Here's a reddit thread from 8 months ago https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/5z4pww/whats_up_with_all_these_disturbingly/ https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/5z4pww/whats_... or a tv report on how its being called out on twitter 4 months ago http://wgntv.com/2017/07/26/elsagate-hashtag-calling-attention-to-disturbing-youtube-content/ http://wgntv.com/2017/07/26/elsagate-hashtag-calling-attenti...

lucisferre 9y ago

I must be out of the loop here, can you post some context for this?

reustle 9y ago
Here are a few from my subscriptions page: ElectroBoom: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjN3j0jZirs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjN3j0jZirs Abroad In Japan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5lMM160etI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5lMM160etI AvE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSxgn0_yU-8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSxgn0_yU-8 Neistat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZakJFqdpRY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZakJFqdpRY Philip DeFranco: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOa6PA8XQtQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOa6PA8XQtQ
- falcolas 9y ago
  Another, experiencing a 90%+ drop in YouTube revenue since the latest update: Sid Alpha: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe5eODFxwy0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe5eODFxwy0
- porfirium 9y ago
  ReviewBrah: https://twitter.com/TROTWOfficial/status/920395476209471489 https://twitter.com/TROTWOfficial/status/920395476209471489 https://twitter.com/TROTWOfficial/status/925346887753969664 https://twitter.com/TROTWOfficial/status/925346887753969664 https://twitter.com/TROTWOfficial/status/926838929751465984 https://twitter.com/TROTWOfficial/status/926838929751465984
  - justaman 9y ago
    HOW? This guy is basically a 1950's white-picket fence gentleman. I think we are seeing a concerted effort to attack major YT channels into leaving YT.
    - krapp 9y ago
      My pet conspiracy theory regarding Youtube is that Google wants to pivot it to compete with Netflix and Amazon, and replace user-submitted content with exclusive, licensed content that might actually make money. But Google doesn't want to risk the PR nightmare of admitting that they no longer want 99% of their userbase poisoning the well for the 1%, so they use pretexts like demonetizing content to encourage them to go elsewhere. It's probably not true, but Google either seems to be fantastically inept or malicious at this point, when it comes to their interactions with content creators and their UX.
  - needz 9y ago
    This guy is as wholesome as wholesome can possibly be and he was still demonetized. Wears suits, is cordial with his viewers, doesn't curse... what more could YT want?
- maturz 9y ago
  Also Joe goes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaU-SgsZnIw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaU-SgsZnIw Reddit has a lot more examples https://www.reddit.com/r/all/search?q=demonetized&sort=top https://www.reddit.com/r/all/search?q=demonetized&sort=top
Joe-Z 9y ago
Just this week: Popular science channel "Cody's Lab" got his account suspended. https://www.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/7b3v93/12million_sub_channel_codyslab_suspended_lets/ https://www.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/7b3v93/12million_s...
- justaman 9y ago
  Absolute shame and I cannot wait until TY dies its inevitable lonely death.
mtgx 9y ago
You can Google "Adpocalypse" for more info on this. Here are a couple of articles on it: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/17/arts/youtube-broadcasters-algorithm-ads.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/17/arts/youtube-broadcasters... http://www.tubefilter.com/2017/05/04/how-youtube-adpocalypse-affected-top-creators/ http://www.tubefilter.com/2017/05/04/how-youtube-adpocalypse... It started when some big advertisers made waves about their ads being placed on "extremist" videos on YouTube. Some quit Google's network at the time, too. To beg them back, Google essentially started removing anything that might upset those big advertisers. Like anything at all. The "demonetization" actually came a bit later when there was backlash against those removals from users, so it was Google's way to "compromise". It wouldn't remove the more "sensitive" (but not extremist) videos, but it would demonetize them without much thought.
- ghaff 9y ago
  Is this even slightly surprising (or unreasonable)? An ad placement agency--which is effectively what google is acting as from an advertising perspective--wants safe, uncontroversial placements for at least most of their clients, especially big mainstream ones. They're mostly not looking for "edgy." The main surprise to me is that advertising support for a fair bit of non-mainstream content has held up as long as it has.
  - Feniks 9y ago
    No its not. Companies care about their brand and have always wanted some assurance that their ads don't show up in something controversial. There is actually a really simple solution here that nobody wants to talk about. DO NOT MONETIZE YOUR VIDEO
  - rrhd 9y ago
    The boundary for what gets demonitized are arbitrary and ridiculous. It's not just people dropping racial slurs or showing graphic violence. It's comedy channels, science channels, etc... It's probably the only thing they can do, but it really is an awful way to treat people who should be your partners.
gadders 9y ago
Also Bro Science Life and Gaad Sad.

imron 9y ago

> how fast YouTube responds to this somewhat mild criticism Fast? People have been complaining about this for ages.

edgarvaldes 9y ago
The article even mentions an early report on the trend, from february: https://www.theverge.com/2017/2/20/14489052/youtube-kids-videos-superheroes-disney-characters-fart-jokes https://www.theverge.com/2017/2/20/14489052/youtube-kids-vid...

mtgx 9y ago

YouTube is trying to become TVTube. That's why.

gipp 9y ago

2 weeks ago: https://www.polygon.com/2017/10/27/16556980/youtube-demonetization-update-adpocalypse https://www.polygon.com/2017/10/27/16556980/youtube-demoneti... People also need to realize that the alternative is massive amounts of ad dollars simply being removed from YouTube altogether. The demonetization drive came from advertisers' outrage over the lack of control over where their ads appear. Without the demonetization push, they start pulling out en masse and everyone loses out.

TheCoreh 9y ago
Or, they could create two separate ad categories by including an option like "Allow ad to be displayed on potentially controversial, offensive or profane content". That way instead if being demonetized videos could simply be moved to this bucket and get ads from less high profile brands, that don't care about this.
- watwut 9y ago
  Advertisers from France will never agree with advertisers from America on what is controversial. Not even speaking about advertisers from Saudi Arabia.
  - Feniks 9y ago
    Excellent point. Saying vagina in the Netherlands isn't a big deal, in the US the FCC would be calling your boss.
    - nerpderp83 9y ago
      https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/obscene-indecent-and-profane-broadcasts https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/obscene-indecent-and-pr... Some serious double think right there. What a shitty fucking law.
    - matt4077 9y ago
      "Vagina" is actually allowed. Also, this is among the gems of the google infobox: https://www.google.com/search?rls=en&q=fcc+forbidden+words https://www.google.com/search?rls=en&q=fcc+forbidden+words

pjc50 9y ago

Creators aren't paying google. Creators are the product.

falcolas 9y ago
No, creators are the bait that bring the real product (our eyeballs) to the site in the first place. Those eyeballs; those are the real product being sold.
EADGBE 9y ago
I was going to say something just like this, only more wordy and less to-the-point. This is perfect.
izacus 9y ago
Without creators Google doesn't earn money.
- cfarre 9y ago
  Agree!

kakarot 9y ago

Standard political maneuvering. Change the conversation by focusing on other problems and tooting your own horn in the process so loudly that people can't think straight

dalbasal 9y ago

Based on who the complainers I’ve seen are, I’m sure that at the very least youtube threw out some baby with bathwater. But that said, their monetisation has not been successful. They do need to make big, hard changes. A lot of what monetisation did was encourage spam, or content quality just above the spam threshold. Meanwhile, patreon (though obviously which a much smaller footprint) seems to encourage the kind of content youtube should want to encourage.

wickawic 9y ago
I'm really surprised Youtube hasn't implemented some sort of Patreon-like payment scheme. Seems like they are off making Youtube TV because no one learns anything and we must repeat the same mistakes indefinitely.
vostrocity 9y ago
I think an interesting question is whether kids raised on this content "barely above the spam threshold" have different cognitive functions and/or appreciation of content later in life. Maybe these kids raised on mass-produced low-quality content will care less about aesthetic integrity or NPR-type content as adults?
- dalbasal 9y ago
  If by aesthetic integrity, you mean the quality of production or a more traditional, even and smooth style of film cutting, then that's not what I mean by quality. You can have serious documentary style cutting with crap content or amateur-reality-TV-promo cutting with great content. But I think that on that front, yes. If you grow up on a style, you might like it later too. What I meant by just above the spam threshold is just a mishmash of content thoughtlessly cut together to match a keyword result, game the "up next" suggestion engine and/or draw clicks through shameless clickbait.

ravenstine 9y ago

A couple channels I used to enjoy have clearly limited their swearing, probably because they are afraid of losing their livelihood. I just see this as yet another reason to have adblock installed. Hope you're learning to enjoy cable TV again, folks!

imustbeevil 9y ago
YouTube hosts, monetizes, and promotes their content for free, and you're upset they can't curse as much anymore. People like Philip Defranco, while still pointing out the damage YouTube is doing to the ecosystem, monetize outside of YouTube to maintain control of their product. If the people you watch don't have a Patreon / Sponsors / merch, they are willingly submitting to the YouTube monetization algorithm. It feels kind of entitled to want to get money from YouTube ads, but not produce content that those advertisers are willing to place ads on.
- AckSyn 9y ago
  You hit the nail on the head. It's all about entitlement and that includes whining about the free lunch being taken away.
- maxscam 9y ago
  Swearing seems such a light reason though
- CPLX 9y ago
  You have a pretty curious definition of "for free" here. My understanding is that YouTube sells billions of dollars of advertising against this content and keeps quite of bit of that money for themselves.
  - ghaff 9y ago
    Not charging you for something is a pretty conventional definition for "free." Of course, they have their own motives to not charge you for hosting videos--which includes making money off associated advertising.

asveikau 9y ago

As a parent I must say if they acted quickly here I would like to know what acting slowly looks like. The creepy, scammy, sometimes illicit toy video thing has been going for years and this is the first I have heard of any crackdown.

LyndsySimon 9y ago

What communities are you seeing this in? In the firearms/gun rights communities, it seems like the prevailing opinion is that YouTube is specifically targeting them based on political bias. I've not really considering it much, but your comment makes me wonder if their issues are part of a much larger pattern.

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rrhd 9y ago
> it seems like the prevailing opinion is that YouTube is specifically targeting them based on political bias That's because they like to be victims. It's all about the narrative. If you look around you see this happening broadly. You see a lot of people concerned about it who don't even mention politics.
- justaman 9y ago
  Generally its the left that tends to play the victim card for sympathy points. Clearly both sides do this however because its(unfortunately) a powerful card to play. If you look at independent conservative youtubers such as Lauren Southern in particular you'll see the clear bias YT has.
  - rrhd 9y ago
    The left likes to play victim about other things. Conservatives love to push the idea that they were targeted purely for being conservative. Look at the reaction around Damore, for example. It's all about how conservatives are being oppressed, how you can't trust the media and tech because they hate conservatives.
  - rat87 9y ago
    > If you look at independent conservative youtubers such as Lauren Southern https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauren_Southern https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauren_Southern > Lauren Southern (/ˈsʌðərn/; born 16 June,[3] 1995) is a Canadian far-right political activist, book author, and internet personality associated with the alt-right.[4][5][6] In 2015, Southern ran as a Libertarian Party candidate in the Canadian federal election. She worked for The Rebel Media, a far-right online media company based in Canada, until leaving in March 2017. She also tried to physically prevent refugee rescuers with a far right "identitarian" group Now she doesn't sound so innocent and the reason for YT decision seems pretty clear and uncontroversial

sp332 9y ago

Here's the official YouTube twitter account promoting a video after demonetizing the channel. Warning: the comments are awful. https://mobile.twitter.com/YouTube/status/927958836308299777 https://mobile.twitter.com/YouTube/status/927958836308299777

rat87 9y ago

Fast? This stuff has been talked about for months Here's a reddit thread from 8 months ago https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/5z4pww/whats_up_with_all_these_disturbingly/ https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/5z4pww/whats_... or a tv report on how its being called out on twitter 4 months ago http://wgntv.com/2017/07/26/elsagate-hashtag-calling-attention-to-disturbing-youtube-content/ http://wgntv.com/2017/07/26/elsagate-hashtag-calling-attenti...