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Consider these two points as a start: - They solved crimes before iPhones. Encryption is not a roadblock - In many countries guns are illegal. Yet criminals d

Consider these two points as a start: - They solved crimes before iPhones. Encryption is not a roadblock - In many countries guns are illegal. Yet criminals do own them. If encryption becomes illegal, criminals would still use it

draugadrotten 9y ago
> - In many countries guns are illegal. Yet criminals do own them. If encryption becomes illegal, criminals would still use it Making guns illegal doesn't stop criminals from using them, but it does make it possible to jail someone only because they had a gun. Outlawing encyrption won't stop criminals from using encryption (just look at China) but it does make it possible to jail dissidents only because they were using encryption. Surveillance will be easier if encryption is illegal, but surveillance would be easier if everyone was obligated to wear a GPS tracker as well. "Making surveillance easier" is not sufficient to argue it should be implemented. There needs to be checks and balances. And when only the government can keep secrets, and they will, there are no more.
- molszanski 9y ago
  Very good point!
gldalmaso 9y ago
I think their intent is not so much to make criminals not use it, but have companies use backdoored encryption, so they can get Apple's keys to a device with a warrant. The problem remains that they constantly abuse their power and are able to even circumvent the warrant part once they know that those keys exist.
dx034 9y ago
> - In many countries guns are illegal. Yet criminals do own them. If encryption becomes illegal, criminals would still use it The main reason why recent terror attacks in Europe used trucks and knives was because guns are really hard to buy in most countries. Even on the black market it'll be hard to get guns in many European countries. Not saying that there's no black market but most people wouldn't have the contacts to get any. So outlawing helps a lot and while it doesn't reduce gun crime by 100%, it probably reduces it by >90%. While encryption is easier to get online (no physical shipping), I doubt many people have the knowledge to identify good encryption without backdoors. Most would probably fall for mechanisms planted by intelligence services.

draugadrotten 9y ago

> - In many countries guns are illegal. Yet criminals do own them. If encryption becomes illegal, criminals would still use it Making guns illegal doesn't stop criminals from using them, but it does make it possible to jail someone only because they had a gun. Outlawing encyrption won't stop criminals from using encryption (just look at China) but it does make it possible to jail dissidents only because they were using encryption. Surveillance will be easier if encryption is illegal, but surveillance would be easier if everyone was obligated to wear a GPS tracker as well. "Making surveillance easier" is not sufficient to argue it should be implemented. There needs to be checks and balances. And when only the government can keep secrets, and they will, there are no more.

molszanski 9y ago
Very good point!

gldalmaso 9y ago

I think their intent is not so much to make criminals not use it, but have companies use backdoored encryption, so they can get Apple's keys to a device with a warrant. The problem remains that they constantly abuse their power and are able to even circumvent the warrant part once they know that those keys exist.

dx034 9y ago

> - In many countries guns are illegal. Yet criminals do own them. If encryption becomes illegal, criminals would still use it The main reason why recent terror attacks in Europe used trucks and knives was because guns are really hard to buy in most countries. Even on the black market it'll be hard to get guns in many European countries. Not saying that there's no black market but most people wouldn't have the contacts to get any. So outlawing helps a lot and while it doesn't reduce gun crime by 100%, it probably reduces it by >90%. While encryption is easier to get online (no physical shipping), I doubt many people have the knowledge to identify good encryption without backdoors. Most would probably fall for mechanisms planted by intelligence services.