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An Open Letter to Dove

166 points by Audiophilip 9y ago

kevinwang 9y ago
Hope they make this right.
eecc 9y ago
Maybe someone does think the guy hasn’t been paid enough and is deliberately providing a justification for “damages”
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- jstanley 9y ago
  Perhaps he's been paid enough in the past to cover their usage of his music in the past, but he's not being paid enough in the present to cover their usage of his music in the present.
  - Nition 9y ago
    What eecc is suggesting is that some insider at Dove was unhappy with how much the musician earned from royalties, and so deliberately stopped paying them while leaving the campaign up to allow Benn Jordan to sue and therefore gain a greater share in the end. I think that's extremely unlikely myself but the comment may have been made in jest.
    - jstanley 9y ago
      OK. I read it to mean eecc thought Benn Jordan thought Benn Jordan hadn't been paid enough, and has written all the "this is what I signed up for, I'm happy with the amount I was getting" spiel as a way to prepare to seek damages without appearing to act in bad faith.
nikcub 9y ago
If you haven't heard it already - his music is great coding music. Start here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5mQMN1KktY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5mQMN1KktY
- throwaway284534 9y ago
  Indeed. Benn's "Compositions for Piano" has been my personal favorite for years. There's something very clean and crisp about his mastering. Some call it "Modern classical". I call it sublime.
- tluyben2 9y ago
  Music is taste ofcourse; I for one find it awful and couldn't write a line with this on.
- ankurm 9y ago
  Wow, I've coded several hours playing the Flashbulb, but never bothered to look up the artist.
- intosi 9y ago
  While I could probably not code on that music, it does sound interesting enough to have a proper listen on the big rig when I'm looking for a break again.
joelrunyon 9y ago
Site is down?
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- therealdrag0 9y ago
  Page loads for me but no content. Maybe post was deleted?
_pmf_ 9y ago
I understand the reluctance to use litigation against mega corporations, given that any procedural error can basically cost you your existence, even if the core complaint is very simple.
z3t4 9y ago
His music was used for a soap commercial, he should be glad they're removing it. These commercials can totally destroy a peace of art.
- malloreon 9y ago
  The article states Dove SAID they were removing it, but didn’t, and are illegally using it after not renewing the license.
_Codemonkeyism 9y ago
"[...] also made waves globally in regards to realizing what the toxic fashion and beauty industry does psychologically to young girls." No. See "The Dove Sketches Beauty Scam" https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2013/05/dove.html https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2013/05/dove.html
- kiddico 9y ago
  That was a great read. Looking forward to reading that blog's back catalog.
  - _Codemonkeyism 9y ago
    I'm envious - I'd love to read all the stuff for the first time - the back catalog is excellent, several articles significantly changed my world view.
roel_v 9y ago
This is a prime example of why we need copyright reform. Here is a guy who, by his own admission, (co)created a cultural landmark; something many people know, love or at least recognize. In a prime example of bait-and-switch scam, after it has gotten successful, he's now trying to lock it away behind a paywall, extorting people just to keep using what they already paid for. Maybe he has the law on his side (after all, it's only to be expected that capitalism would serve only the interests of rent-seeking owners), but proprietary music is eating away the very foundations of our culture. This guy should be boycotted and we should organize a movement of musicians who make works available for Free - not just free as in beer, but also (and more importantly) Free as in speech. (/s , if that wasn't obvious...)
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billpg 9y ago
Ah yes, the company that make Axe/Lynx, they're all about empowering women.
sshanky 9y ago
Could someone share a link to the actual Dove ad?
- skiman10 9y ago
  I believe it is this one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYhCn0jf46U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYhCn0jf46U
  - afraid_man 9y ago
    She ends up with a bitchy resting face accompanied to some nice music. She looks like she is entitled to everything you own. What a world we live in.. If you havent accepted the red pill yet, then today is the time. I wish you luck Gentlemen..
Nition 9y ago
Both his posts regarding the Dove music licencing have now been removed. Lawyers getting involved maybe?
skiman10 9y ago
Looks like the article was taken down. Here is an archive.org link to it. https://web.archive.org/web/20171110080004/http://www.bennjordan.com/blog/?p=735 https://web.archive.org/web/20171110080004/http://www.bennjo...

166 points by Audiophilip 9y ago

kevinwang 9y ago

Hope they make this right.

eecc 9y ago

Maybe someone does think the guy hasn’t been paid enough and is deliberately providing a justification for “damages”

deleted 9y ago
[deleted]
jstanley 9y ago
Perhaps he's been paid enough in the past to cover their usage of his music in the past, but he's not being paid enough in the present to cover their usage of his music in the present.
- Nition 9y ago
  What eecc is suggesting is that some insider at Dove was unhappy with how much the musician earned from royalties, and so deliberately stopped paying them while leaving the campaign up to allow Benn Jordan to sue and therefore gain a greater share in the end. I think that's extremely unlikely myself but the comment may have been made in jest.
  - jstanley 9y ago
    OK. I read it to mean eecc thought Benn Jordan thought Benn Jordan hadn't been paid enough, and has written all the "this is what I signed up for, I'm happy with the amount I was getting" spiel as a way to prepare to seek damages without appearing to act in bad faith.

nikcub 9y ago

If you haven't heard it already - his music is great coding music. Start here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5mQMN1KktY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5mQMN1KktY

throwaway284534 9y ago
Indeed. Benn's "Compositions for Piano" has been my personal favorite for years. There's something very clean and crisp about his mastering. Some call it "Modern classical". I call it sublime.
tluyben2 9y ago
Music is taste ofcourse; I for one find it awful and couldn't write a line with this on.
ankurm 9y ago
Wow, I've coded several hours playing the Flashbulb, but never bothered to look up the artist.
intosi 9y ago
While I could probably not code on that music, it does sound interesting enough to have a proper listen on the big rig when I'm looking for a break again.

joelrunyon 9y ago

Site is down?

deleted 9y ago
[deleted]
therealdrag0 9y ago
Page loads for me but no content. Maybe post was deleted?

_pmf_ 9y ago

I understand the reluctance to use litigation against mega corporations, given that any procedural error can basically cost you your existence, even if the core complaint is very simple.

z3t4 9y ago

His music was used for a soap commercial, he should be glad they're removing it. These commercials can totally destroy a peace of art.

malloreon 9y ago
The article states Dove SAID they were removing it, but didn’t, and are illegally using it after not renewing the license.

_Codemonkeyism 9y ago

"[...] also made waves globally in regards to realizing what the toxic fashion and beauty industry does psychologically to young girls." No. See "The Dove Sketches Beauty Scam" https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2013/05/dove.html https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2013/05/dove.html

kiddico 9y ago
That was a great read. Looking forward to reading that blog's back catalog.
- _Codemonkeyism 9y ago
  I'm envious - I'd love to read all the stuff for the first time - the back catalog is excellent, several articles significantly changed my world view.

roel_v 9y ago

This is a prime example of why we need copyright reform. Here is a guy who, by his own admission, (co)created a cultural landmark; something many people know, love or at least recognize. In a prime example of bait-and-switch scam, after it has gotten successful, he's now trying to lock it away behind a paywall, extorting people just to keep using what they already paid for. Maybe he has the law on his side (after all, it's only to be expected that capitalism would serve only the interests of rent-seeking owners), but proprietary music is eating away the very foundations of our culture. This guy should be boycotted and we should organize a movement of musicians who make works available for Free - not just free as in beer, but also (and more importantly) Free as in speech. (/s , if that wasn't obvious...)

deleted 9y ago
[deleted]

billpg 9y ago

Ah yes, the company that make Axe/Lynx, they're all about empowering women.

sshanky 9y ago

Could someone share a link to the actual Dove ad?

skiman10 9y ago
I believe it is this one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYhCn0jf46U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYhCn0jf46U
- afraid_man 9y ago
  She ends up with a bitchy resting face accompanied to some nice music. She looks like she is entitled to everything you own. What a world we live in.. If you havent accepted the red pill yet, then today is the time. I wish you luck Gentlemen..

Nition 9y ago

Both his posts regarding the Dove music licencing have now been removed. Lawyers getting involved maybe?

skiman10 9y ago

Looks like the article was taken down. Here is an archive.org link to it. https://web.archive.org/web/20171110080004/http://www.bennjordan.com/blog/?p=735 https://web.archive.org/web/20171110080004/http://www.bennjo...