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The N.Y. Times once reported on the lifespans of the people of Ikaria, who apparently have the longest recorded lifespans, as a group, in the world. Their diet
by dr_ 9y ago
The N.Y. Times once reported on the lifespans of the people of Ikaria, who apparently have the longest recorded lifespans, as a group, in the world. Their diet includes moderate amounts of wine.
“Wine — in moderation — had been shown to be good for you if consumed as part of a Mediterranean diet, because it prompts the body to absorb more flavonoids, a type of antioxidant”
Not a medical research study, but I wonder how oncologists would reconcile their recommendations with reports such as this. Presumably the studies they have reviewed control for other factors such as diet and lifestyle.
(Original article: https://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/magazine/the-island-where-people-forget-to-die.html https://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/magazine/the-island-wh...)
- gruez 9y agosure, it might be the alcohol in the wine, or it could be the grape itself. has there been a study that compared wine, unfermented wine, dealcoholized wine, grape juice, and grape juice + ethanol?
- ranit 9y ago>> unfermented wine Is there such a thing?
- berbec 9y agoGrape juice? I'm not trying to be snarling, I actually am wondering something else is added to grapes to make it pre-wine?
- ranit 9y agoGP already listed it as a separate entity: ..., unfermented wine, dealcoholized wine, grape juice, ... so, it is not. >> ... wondering something else is added to grapes to make it pre-wine? I am really asking, because I don't know, and like you, would like to find out: what is this process that would "unferment" wine. If GP is not just trowing words around he/she should know.
- dsnuh 9y agoPerhaps GP meant grapes that hashed been mashed and are in a tank, but not yet to the point of fermentation (be it by introduction of wild yeast or human intervention)? I.e. the "must". A quick search shows it is derived from there being 2 types referenced in The Bible.
- gruez 9y ago>Perhaps GP meant grapes that hashed been mashed and are in a tank, but not yet to the point of fermentation correct. logic here being there might be a difference between grape juice and what they use to make wine. also, there might be nutritional benefits from letting the pulp sit in the juice for a while (maybe more nutrients leeches out?).
- StavrosK 9y agoAre we sure the lifespan thing isn't just a statistical quirk? If you take a thousand small places, one is bound to have the longest-living people in the world.
- untilHellbanned 9y agoYeah and that place is Ikaria.
- StavrosK 9y agoMy point is that it's because of luck rather than because the residents are doing something special.
- untilHellbanned 9y agoThey don’t “do” anything. It’s genetics. Genetics are luck.
- StavrosK 9y agoAre you not understanding my point on purpose?
- durkie 9y agoI think it depends on how much you want to believe the blue zone folks: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Zone https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Zone There are many such long lifespan places on Earth, and they have several common characteristics, which would make statistical anomaly at least seem less likely
- dsnuh 9y agoOT: @StavrosK did you use to frequent metafilter?
- StavrosK 9y ago
- 0xbear 9y agoWould be good to know who financed the study.
- DanBC 9y ago> “Wine — in moderation — had been shown to be good for you if consumed as part of a Mediterranean diet, because it prompts the body to absorb more flavonoids, a type of antioxidant” > Not a medical research study, but I wonder how oncologists would reconcile their recommendations with reports such as this. They would point to all the actual studies that show a drink a day is harmful, not beneficial.