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Alternatively - these are just growing pains until the human driving the truck is replaced by an algorithm.

AlexandrB 9y ago
So basically, self driving cars will be worse than human-driven cars until ALL cars are self driving cars? This is the first fully autonomous version of "No True Scotsman" that I've seen!
- fishcolorbrick 9y ago
  I don't think it is an instance of "No True Scotsman" to say that there are situations that self-driving cars may never be as good as humans at, but that those situations only occur because of the unpredictability of human drivers. Self-driving cars don't have to be better than humans at everything in order to be objectively better drivers than humans. In 2010, 32,999 people died in car crashes in the US [0]. If self-driving cars are on-balance 1% better than human beings at driving, then 329 lives are saved. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_year https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_i...
- Voyage_wanderer 9y ago
  This is the reason I believe that self driving thing is doomed. Significant amount of humans will refuse to stop driving. Fair amount of them will make life of self driving things unbearable. Sizable part - on porpoise. Just to check how good a computer is. Seriously speaking from perspective of a truck driver. The reasons truck driver backed into thing are: He couldn’t see it. It wasn’t there when he started. Horn and flash of lights would stop a human driver. When I back up a truck I use all my senses, since I can’t see much. Easiest fix for the robot thingy - add horn and lights. (And wait until all residents start complaining)
  - derefr 9y ago
    People do die of old age, y'know. And long before that, they stop driving because their eyes become too bad and their reactions become too slow. All you have to do to cement a driverless-car hegemony is to stop issuing new driver's licenses. 50 years later: no more drivers.
  - jannyfer 9y ago
    I read a sentiment that I found myself nodding to: people will stop driving when it’s convenient for them. Some people love driving, and some people love riding horses, but you don’t see many horses on city streets today.

So basically, self driving cars will be worse than human-driven cars until ALL cars are self driving cars? This is the first fully autonomous version of "No True Scotsman" that I've seen!

fishcolorbrick 9y ago
I don't think it is an instance of "No True Scotsman" to say that there are situations that self-driving cars may never be as good as humans at, but that those situations only occur because of the unpredictability of human drivers. Self-driving cars don't have to be better than humans at everything in order to be objectively better drivers than humans. In 2010, 32,999 people died in car crashes in the US [0]. If self-driving cars are on-balance 1% better than human beings at driving, then 329 lives are saved. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_year https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_i...
Voyage_wanderer 9y ago
This is the reason I believe that self driving thing is doomed. Significant amount of humans will refuse to stop driving. Fair amount of them will make life of self driving things unbearable. Sizable part - on porpoise. Just to check how good a computer is. Seriously speaking from perspective of a truck driver. The reasons truck driver backed into thing are: He couldn’t see it. It wasn’t there when he started. Horn and flash of lights would stop a human driver. When I back up a truck I use all my senses, since I can’t see much. Easiest fix for the robot thingy - add horn and lights. (And wait until all residents start complaining)
- derefr 9y ago
  People do die of old age, y'know. And long before that, they stop driving because their eyes become too bad and their reactions become too slow. All you have to do to cement a driverless-car hegemony is to stop issuing new driver's licenses. 50 years later: no more drivers.
- jannyfer 9y ago
  I read a sentiment that I found myself nodding to: people will stop driving when it’s convenient for them. Some people love driving, and some people love riding horses, but you don’t see many horses on city streets today.