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You can pry my Linux desktop out of my cold dead hands. I've been using it for almost 10 years now, and I couldn't imagine having to deal with windows telemetry

You can pry my Linux desktop out of my cold dead hands. I've been using it for almost 10 years now, and I couldn't imagine having to deal with windows telemetry and terrible performance, or apples outrageous prices. Yes it takes longer to set up but my desktop setup fits me like a glove. I always feel slightly handicapped when I have to use windows at work. There is one thing that would make me switch, and that's apples IME methods for Chinese characters, which are a lot more sophisticated than the Linux offerings.

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fizixer 9y ago
The article is about LiMux, some Linux initiative in Munich.
- PuffinBlue 9y ago
  Any one who read the article would know that. They'd also know LiMux comes with a LiNux desktop client, which is referenced about 10 times in the article.
- HumanDrivenDev 9y ago
  I'll admit I did just skim the article. Still, it's about a Linux desktop system.
kllrnohj 9y ago
"windows [...] terrible performance" Uhh... what? The only significant performance difference is in graphics & media, which is where Windows handily bests Linux. What performance are you talking about?
- greenhouse_gas 9y ago
  It depends. The thing with Windows is that you have exactly one way to use it, and if your computer is old and it's specs aren't good enough, too bad. Linux, on the other hand, can be run with Gnome 3, or with lxqt, or with i3. You can even run a desktop Linux on a raspberry pi. So maybe Windows 10 beats Gnome 3 (although I don't know if it's true, I don't have Windows), but it definitely can't beat "Linux"
  - kllrnohj 9y ago
    > So maybe Windows 10 beats Gnome 3 (although I don't know if it's true, I don't have Windows), but it definitely can't beat "Linux" This gets back to the question of what performance are you even talking about. It sounds like you're talking about the performance of random apps here rather than of the OS or any of its fundamentals. No matter what DE you run, though, you're not fixing Linux's graphics problems, so Windows will always beat Linux on that front until the driver & compositor situation radically improves. Wayland simply can't compete with WDDM today, and for some god unknown reason you still get X11 on many distros by default anyway. Running on a raspberry pi isn't some monumental achievement, either. The Pi has rather quite a lot of power. Windows IoT core runs just fine on it, which despite the name still has a graphics stack and all of that (more "windows lite" rather than "iot core")
    - HumanDrivenDev 9y ago
      Windows 10 must be amazing then, because from win2k to win7 I've dual booted and always found Linux to be much faster and smoother for everything. "Random apps" forms the bulk of what we do with operating systems. windows being more performant on some level is all very well and interesting, but I don't care because it's sluggish when I browse the internet, watch videos or use IDEs.
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- HumanDrivenDev 9y ago
  Whenever I've had dual booting, windows was always noticeably more sluggish and froze more than Linux. Maybe it's changed (haven't really used 10). You might be right on graphics cards - it's not really my world.
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 9y ago
    You probably haven't used it since pre-vista if that is your experience. Microsoft changed a lot of internals that really improved the situation on Windows. For instance: WDDM can recover from a graphics driver crash, with the added benefit of allowing you to install and use new graphics drivers without rebooting or even losing your open windows.
    - HumanDrivenDev 9y ago
      My laptop has win7 on it, and it crawls compared to my linux installation. It's a really unpleasant experience. I'm not sure why this is so surprising to you. People run debian raspberry pi.
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- flukus 9y ago
  > What performance are you talking about? Taking several seconds to a minute to open the god damn start menu. Can take a few seconds if you've got a HDD, a minute if your internet connection drops at at the wrong time. Pauses and stutters in many other places. It's pretty clear MS only dogfooded windows 10 on high end devices.
- slrz 9y ago
  Eh, file system I/O? Compared to Linux, Windows really sucks there. As does OS X.
- sliken 9y ago
  Graphics? Like what exactly? Often when I see frame rate comparisons for nvidia cards on linux vs win10 they are pretty similar with each side winning some. Media? What like video playback? Even a raspberry pi can play back 1080P. Any random linux desktop with a nvidia card can play back 4k with low cpu usage.
StreamBright 9y ago
Yeah it would be really bad and luckily never happened in Linux. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/12/richard-stallman-calls-ubuntu-spyware-because-it-tracks-searches/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/12/richa...

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fizixer 9y ago

The article is about LiMux, some Linux initiative in Munich.

PuffinBlue 9y ago
Any one who read the article would know that. They'd also know LiMux comes with a LiNux desktop client, which is referenced about 10 times in the article.
HumanDrivenDev 9y ago
I'll admit I did just skim the article. Still, it's about a Linux desktop system.

kllrnohj 9y ago

"windows [...] terrible performance" Uhh... what? The only significant performance difference is in graphics & media, which is where Windows handily bests Linux. What performance are you talking about?

greenhouse_gas 9y ago
It depends. The thing with Windows is that you have exactly one way to use it, and if your computer is old and it's specs aren't good enough, too bad. Linux, on the other hand, can be run with Gnome 3, or with lxqt, or with i3. You can even run a desktop Linux on a raspberry pi. So maybe Windows 10 beats Gnome 3 (although I don't know if it's true, I don't have Windows), but it definitely can't beat "Linux"
- kllrnohj 9y ago
  > So maybe Windows 10 beats Gnome 3 (although I don't know if it's true, I don't have Windows), but it definitely can't beat "Linux" This gets back to the question of what performance are you even talking about. It sounds like you're talking about the performance of random apps here rather than of the OS or any of its fundamentals. No matter what DE you run, though, you're not fixing Linux's graphics problems, so Windows will always beat Linux on that front until the driver & compositor situation radically improves. Wayland simply can't compete with WDDM today, and for some god unknown reason you still get X11 on many distros by default anyway. Running on a raspberry pi isn't some monumental achievement, either. The Pi has rather quite a lot of power. Windows IoT core runs just fine on it, which despite the name still has a graphics stack and all of that (more "windows lite" rather than "iot core")
  - HumanDrivenDev 9y ago
    Windows 10 must be amazing then, because from win2k to win7 I've dual booted and always found Linux to be much faster and smoother for everything. "Random apps" forms the bulk of what we do with operating systems. windows being more performant on some level is all very well and interesting, but I don't care because it's sluggish when I browse the internet, watch videos or use IDEs.
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HumanDrivenDev 9y ago
Whenever I've had dual booting, windows was always noticeably more sluggish and froze more than Linux. Maybe it's changed (haven't really used 10). You might be right on graphics cards - it's not really my world.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 9y ago
  You probably haven't used it since pre-vista if that is your experience. Microsoft changed a lot of internals that really improved the situation on Windows. For instance: WDDM can recover from a graphics driver crash, with the added benefit of allowing you to install and use new graphics drivers without rebooting or even losing your open windows.
  - HumanDrivenDev 9y ago
    My laptop has win7 on it, and it crawls compared to my linux installation. It's a really unpleasant experience. I'm not sure why this is so surprising to you. People run debian raspberry pi.
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flukus 9y ago
> What performance are you talking about? Taking several seconds to a minute to open the god damn start menu. Can take a few seconds if you've got a HDD, a minute if your internet connection drops at at the wrong time. Pauses and stutters in many other places. It's pretty clear MS only dogfooded windows 10 on high end devices.
slrz 9y ago
Eh, file system I/O? Compared to Linux, Windows really sucks there. As does OS X.
sliken 9y ago
Graphics? Like what exactly? Often when I see frame rate comparisons for nvidia cards on linux vs win10 they are pretty similar with each side winning some. Media? What like video playback? Even a raspberry pi can play back 1080P. Any random linux desktop with a nvidia card can play back 4k with low cpu usage.

StreamBright 9y ago

Yeah it would be really bad and luckily never happened in Linux. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/12/richard-stallman-calls-ubuntu-spyware-because-it-tracks-searches/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/12/richa...