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>The axiom that Liu put forward was not about some inherently expansionist nature of intelligent life Huh? All the other stuff you said is perfectly true, but
by glenstein 9y ago
>The axiom that Liu put forward was not about some inherently expansionist nature of intelligent life
Huh? All the other stuff you said is perfectly true, but in addition to that, there's an axiom in his book explicitly stating that "civilization continuously grows and expands."
- azernik 9y agoThe idea the bring not that they will expand to take you over, but that you can't trust a weaker civilization to stay weaker.
- glenstein 9y agoApologies, but this is giving me a brain freeze. Previously, you talked about chains of suspicion (Liu's term for it). It was couched in a denial of there being any expansionist nature of civilizations. All the other things you said were exactly right, but, at the same time, Liu did indeed suggest expansionist tendencies of civilizations as an axiom for understanding Dark Forest theory. And now you're saying expansion is relevant to relative strength or weakness of civilizations? You seem to be clarifying what is meant by expansion. But we can define expansion however. My point was more that expansion, however defined was definitely included among Liu's axioms.