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Who has authority to revoke the ID? Can someone get angry and un-citizen me? Will the process of getting re-identified take a day, a week, a month, years? Will

Who has authority to revoke the ID? Can someone get angry and un-citizen me? Will the process of getting re-identified take a day, a week, a month, years? Will I be able to continue working in that time? We need to build with these security concerns in mind. The reason SSNs are failing is that security was never supposed to be a concern for them, so no thought was paid to it.

rtkwe 9y ago
The clear answer to that would be only you can revoke the certificate either by signing or by going to something like the post office/DMV with 1-2 additional pieces of ID (for cases where your card is lost/stolen). Also the cert is only for SSN like things and proving your identity in those cases not that you're not a citizen if your cert is out of date. So you couldn't say open a new bank account or apply for a new loan but everything else just keeps working.
tremon 9y ago
No, the ID's cannot be revoked, and they are assigned at birth or at the moment you apply for immigration. There are some efforts to allow stripping dual-nationality criminals of their citizenship, but that process requires both a judge and a cabinet minister to sign it, and the ECHR will not allow people to be stripped of their only citizenship. And even in those cases, the national ID's will not be revoked, just invalidated. So let's skip all the hypotheticals about having to recover one, unless you can point to an actual case from the EU, instead of Hollywood?
thephyber 9y ago
> The reason SSNs are failing is that security was never supposed to be a concern for them, so no thought was paid to it. NO. The reason SSNs are "failing" is because they have been adopted by the public and private sectors because they are a de facto "username". SSNs serve the same purpose as driver's license numbers and passport numbers, only they have less authentication, but are still more common (because most young children don't have DLs or passports).
lorenzhs 9y ago
IDs get lost and stolen sometimes, so there are established processes for that. In Germany, they cost 28.80€ to replace and take 3-6 weeks to be manufactured. You can continue working normally, and generally there are is no impact on your daily life. The process takes less than an hour, excluding waiting time. Your citizenship isn't tied to the ID, either.

rtkwe 9y ago

The clear answer to that would be only you can revoke the certificate either by signing or by going to something like the post office/DMV with 1-2 additional pieces of ID (for cases where your card is lost/stolen). Also the cert is only for SSN like things and proving your identity in those cases not that you're not a citizen if your cert is out of date. So you couldn't say open a new bank account or apply for a new loan but everything else just keeps working.

tremon 9y ago

No, the ID's cannot be revoked, and they are assigned at birth or at the moment you apply for immigration. There are some efforts to allow stripping dual-nationality criminals of their citizenship, but that process requires both a judge and a cabinet minister to sign it, and the ECHR will not allow people to be stripped of their only citizenship. And even in those cases, the national ID's will not be revoked, just invalidated. So let's skip all the hypotheticals about having to recover one, unless you can point to an actual case from the EU, instead of Hollywood?

thephyber 9y ago

> The reason SSNs are failing is that security was never supposed to be a concern for them, so no thought was paid to it. NO. The reason SSNs are "failing" is because they have been adopted by the public and private sectors because they are a de facto "username". SSNs serve the same purpose as driver's license numbers and passport numbers, only they have less authentication, but are still more common (because most young children don't have DLs or passports).

lorenzhs 9y ago

IDs get lost and stolen sometimes, so there are established processes for that. In Germany, they cost 28.80€ to replace and take 3-6 weeks to be manufactured. You can continue working normally, and generally there are is no impact on your daily life. The process takes less than an hour, excluding waiting time. Your citizenship isn't tied to the ID, either.