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I remember when I was much younger, when I would hear or read something about how cannabis has been used by humans for a very long time, I thought that it was l

by mbrock 9y ago

I remember when I was much younger, when I would hear or read something about how cannabis has been used by humans for a very long time, I thought that it was like a kind of "conspiracy theory."

cies 9y ago
See India. https://www.google.nl/search?q=sadhu+chillum&num=100&source=lnms&tbm=isch https://www.google.nl/search?q=sadhu+chillum&num=100&source=... That's some old culture in those images, but how old exactly is hard to say for me. I'm no historian, but 1000s might well be true.
- saiya-jin 9y ago
  It is true... it is even part of their religion. Shiva is one of main gods, and what does whole India do on Shiva's day to celebrate him? Getting high on bhang, basically lassi with cannabis mixed in. They only outlawed it because of UN, which was strongarmed into this by US (and why US? well Nixon didn't like hippies and mexicans) you can see it growing in whole himalaya wild, some places more (ie Manali/Malana) in Himachal Pradesh)
- 13of40 9y ago
  https://www.thestar.com/business/tech_news/2008/11/27/2700yearold_marijuana_found_in_chinese_tomb.html https://www.thestar.com/business/tech_news/2008/11/27/2700ye... Don't know if this is the latest news, but they dated this two pound bundle of weed to 2700 years ago.
  - cies 9y ago
    Wow 2 pounds can get you in serious trouble nowadays, pretty much all over the world. Death penalties and all.
    - 13of40 9y ago
      Apparently they had to get special permission to move it from China to the UK for study.
      - cies 9y ago
        Pppplease... We promise we will not consume it. :)
Lambdanaut 9y ago
There's Cannabis, Peyote, San Pedro, Ayahuasca, Psilocybin containing mushrooms, Muscarin containing mushrooms, syrian rue, sinicuichi, morning glory, datura, mandrake, nicotiana Rustica, yopo, cebil... Brother I am only tapping the outer layer of the historical use of entheogenic plants and fungi that have been in tribal use for spiritual ceremonies for thousands of years. This is not to mention any NON-entheogenic plants.
widyowid 9y ago
It's also used as one of the spices in Aceh, Indonesia: "On the other hand, besides the various kinds of ingredients used to make the food, there is also some unusual ingredients involved in the making of the dishes, and i am very interested about that issue. You will be surprised if i tell you that Marijuana has been used as food ingredients. Yes, it is proven that marijuana is known to be one of the food ingredients in Aceh city, Sumatra island, Indonesia. Usage of marijuana and another kinds of drugs are strongly banned in indonesia. Drug trafficker will face a death sentence if caught by the police. However, using it as food ingredients is tolerable. Even the vice president, Jusuf Kalla legalized the usage of marijuana as a seasoning. The reasons that support this approval are the fact that the marijuana is being used only just to give local distinct flavor of Acehnese dishes. In addition, marijuana has been a spice that becomes a part of Acehnese cooking method. It is a part of a local tradition. One owner of the Acehnese restaurant in Jakarta was asked by a newspaper reporter, and she said, "Marijuana is available in any Acehnese kitchen just like coriander"."Marijuana is a widely-accepted cooking spice there". Most restaurants in Aceh use some pieces of marijuana leaves as a seasoning to cook rice, soups, as well as some entrees. Some examples of dishes that cooked with marijuana are, lamb curry, noodle soup, beef curry, etc. Local residents said that the dishes cooked with marijuana leaves will smell and taste better it will also give local distinct flavor. Many people said that food seasoned with Marijuana in Aceh is somewhat very delicious and addictive." [0] [0]: http://nutritionfortheworld.wikifoundry.com/page/The+usage+of+Marijuana+as+food+ingredients http://nutritionfortheworld.wikifoundry.com/page/The+usage+o...
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panzagl 9y ago
And I remember reading how you used to be able to beat your wife with a stick no bigger than your thumb. Doesn't mean anything about today.
- mbrock 9y ago
  Out of curiosity, what do you imagine that my comment meant to say about today?
  - panzagl 9y ago
    Just the usual 'people used to do it, so it's ok'. Maybe I read too much into it.
    - mbrock 9y ago
      Yeah, I wasn't trying to say that, which is why I didn't say it! I do think a truth-based approach to drugs should be a part of general education, and that the current older generation has failed embarrassingly and awfully in its drug policies.
- _jal 9y ago
  ...Because consuming plant matter is just like domestic violence?
  - cjjuice 9y ago
    unrelated side note... I think this is a great example of how much we use loaded language in rhetoric. you turned "cannabis" to "plant matter" and "beat your wife with a stick no bigger than your thumb" to "domestic violence". It's also amazing that this rhetorical technique is only useful to a modern audience that has been conditioned to associate certain feelings to the words. Not disagreeing with your point, just thought it was interesting.
    - _jal 9y ago
      Pretty sure manipulation with loaded language is not unique to modern discourse. There seems to be an assumption that folks who predate modern tech were somehow unsophisticated or innocent. Not so - if anyone finds modern political antics entertaining, I highly recommend them Roman history. While spotting rhetorical techniques, I'd throw out that my synonym-choice is more something that I've been trying to train myself out of - I tend to unconsciously take a step 'up' in generality when rephrasing elements of others' arguments, and it isn't a great habit. Sometimes it can be useful, but oftentimes muddies the waters. Been trying to retrain myself, obviously with mixed results.

by mbrock 9y ago

I remember when I was much younger, when I would hear or read something about how cannabis has been used by humans for a very long time, I thought that it was like a kind of "conspiracy theory."

cies 9y ago

See India. https://www.google.nl/search?q=sadhu+chillum&num=100&source=lnms&tbm=isch https://www.google.nl/search?q=sadhu+chillum&num=100&source=... That's some old culture in those images, but how old exactly is hard to say for me. I'm no historian, but 1000s might well be true.

saiya-jin 9y ago
It is true... it is even part of their religion. Shiva is one of main gods, and what does whole India do on Shiva's day to celebrate him? Getting high on bhang, basically lassi with cannabis mixed in. They only outlawed it because of UN, which was strongarmed into this by US (and why US? well Nixon didn't like hippies and mexicans) you can see it growing in whole himalaya wild, some places more (ie Manali/Malana) in Himachal Pradesh)
13of40 9y ago
https://www.thestar.com/business/tech_news/2008/11/27/2700yearold_marijuana_found_in_chinese_tomb.html https://www.thestar.com/business/tech_news/2008/11/27/2700ye... Don't know if this is the latest news, but they dated this two pound bundle of weed to 2700 years ago.
- cies 9y ago
  Wow 2 pounds can get you in serious trouble nowadays, pretty much all over the world. Death penalties and all.
  - 13of40 9y ago
    Apparently they had to get special permission to move it from China to the UK for study.
    - cies 9y ago
      Pppplease... We promise we will not consume it. :)

Lambdanaut 9y ago

There's Cannabis, Peyote, San Pedro, Ayahuasca, Psilocybin containing mushrooms, Muscarin containing mushrooms, syrian rue, sinicuichi, morning glory, datura, mandrake, nicotiana Rustica, yopo, cebil... Brother I am only tapping the outer layer of the historical use of entheogenic plants and fungi that have been in tribal use for spiritual ceremonies for thousands of years. This is not to mention any NON-entheogenic plants.

widyowid 9y ago

It's also used as one of the spices in Aceh, Indonesia: "On the other hand, besides the various kinds of ingredients used to make the food, there is also some unusual ingredients involved in the making of the dishes, and i am very interested about that issue. You will be surprised if i tell you that Marijuana has been used as food ingredients. Yes, it is proven that marijuana is known to be one of the food ingredients in Aceh city, Sumatra island, Indonesia. Usage of marijuana and another kinds of drugs are strongly banned in indonesia. Drug trafficker will face a death sentence if caught by the police. However, using it as food ingredients is tolerable. Even the vice president, Jusuf Kalla legalized the usage of marijuana as a seasoning. The reasons that support this approval are the fact that the marijuana is being used only just to give local distinct flavor of Acehnese dishes. In addition, marijuana has been a spice that becomes a part of Acehnese cooking method. It is a part of a local tradition. One owner of the Acehnese restaurant in Jakarta was asked by a newspaper reporter, and she said, "Marijuana is available in any Acehnese kitchen just like coriander"."Marijuana is a widely-accepted cooking spice there". Most restaurants in Aceh use some pieces of marijuana leaves as a seasoning to cook rice, soups, as well as some entrees. Some examples of dishes that cooked with marijuana are, lamb curry, noodle soup, beef curry, etc. Local residents said that the dishes cooked with marijuana leaves will smell and taste better it will also give local distinct flavor. Many people said that food seasoned with Marijuana in Aceh is somewhat very delicious and addictive." [0] [0]: http://nutritionfortheworld.wikifoundry.com/page/The+usage+of+Marijuana+as+food+ingredients http://nutritionfortheworld.wikifoundry.com/page/The+usage+o...

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panzagl 9y ago

And I remember reading how you used to be able to beat your wife with a stick no bigger than your thumb. Doesn't mean anything about today.

mbrock 9y ago
Out of curiosity, what do you imagine that my comment meant to say about today?
- panzagl 9y ago
  Just the usual 'people used to do it, so it's ok'. Maybe I read too much into it.
  - mbrock 9y ago
    Yeah, I wasn't trying to say that, which is why I didn't say it! I do think a truth-based approach to drugs should be a part of general education, and that the current older generation has failed embarrassingly and awfully in its drug policies.
_jal 9y ago
...Because consuming plant matter is just like domestic violence?
- cjjuice 9y ago
  unrelated side note... I think this is a great example of how much we use loaded language in rhetoric. you turned "cannabis" to "plant matter" and "beat your wife with a stick no bigger than your thumb" to "domestic violence". It's also amazing that this rhetorical technique is only useful to a modern audience that has been conditioned to associate certain feelings to the words. Not disagreeing with your point, just thought it was interesting.
  - _jal 9y ago
    Pretty sure manipulation with loaded language is not unique to modern discourse. There seems to be an assumption that folks who predate modern tech were somehow unsophisticated or innocent. Not so - if anyone finds modern political antics entertaining, I highly recommend them Roman history. While spotting rhetorical techniques, I'd throw out that my synonym-choice is more something that I've been trying to train myself out of - I tend to unconsciously take a step 'up' in generality when rephrasing elements of others' arguments, and it isn't a great habit. Sometimes it can be useful, but oftentimes muddies the waters. Been trying to retrain myself, obviously with mixed results.