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A lot of cars are keyless. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_key#Nomenclature https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_key#Nomenclature

jonknee 9y ago
They [almost] all have a physical key. It typically slides out of the fob. I don't know of a single [non-Tesla] production car that lacks a manual way to enter. If my "keyless" Audi is completely and truly dead (batteries removed!), I can unlock it. Update: changed to reference this is a Tesla rant, not specifically Model 3.
- greglindahl 9y ago
  ... Model S and Model X don't have keys, either. You're 5 years late making this complaint.
  - mustacheemperor 9y ago
    Sure, but that doesn't make it an invalid criticism of Tesla's design choices. Plus, every component in the Model 3 is far more centered around budgetary concerns and will simply be driven by far more people, so this problem is entirely likely to be worse on the 3 than previous vehicles. Any other car at this price point (or really most any other car) would have some physical key, and it's not automatically a reason to hail the car as visionary design.
    - greglindahl 9y ago
      I've gotten non-Tesla rental cars that didn't have a physical key, so there's that.
      - mustacheemperor 9y ago
        Are you positive? I believe there are other high end vehicles that don't have one, but in my experience even fobs that look like they can't possibly contain a physical key have one hidden inside somehow. Even if it can't start the car it can at least open a door.
      - jonknee 9y ago
        What did they give you to start the car?
        mustacheemperor 9y ago
        Lots of car fobs are just wireless transponders to authorize the remote start now, it's how those hacks to steal a BMW with a laptop work. But those fobs usually still have a real key inside.
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  - jonknee 9y ago
    My apologies, I should have said "Non-Tesla production car" as this was specifically a Tesla rant. The Model 3 goes to the next level though as there is not even a fob.
    - grimgrin 9y ago
      Well I don't have any way to get in my Prius if I lose my keyless fob, but maybe that is only one exception

jonknee 9y ago

They [almost] all have a physical key. It typically slides out of the fob. I don't know of a single [non-Tesla] production car that lacks a manual way to enter. If my "keyless" Audi is completely and truly dead (batteries removed!), I can unlock it. Update: changed to reference this is a Tesla rant, not specifically Model 3.

greglindahl 9y ago
... Model S and Model X don't have keys, either. You're 5 years late making this complaint.
- mustacheemperor 9y ago
  Sure, but that doesn't make it an invalid criticism of Tesla's design choices. Plus, every component in the Model 3 is far more centered around budgetary concerns and will simply be driven by far more people, so this problem is entirely likely to be worse on the 3 than previous vehicles. Any other car at this price point (or really most any other car) would have some physical key, and it's not automatically a reason to hail the car as visionary design.
  - greglindahl 9y ago
    I've gotten non-Tesla rental cars that didn't have a physical key, so there's that.
    - mustacheemperor 9y ago
      Are you positive? I believe there are other high end vehicles that don't have one, but in my experience even fobs that look like they can't possibly contain a physical key have one hidden inside somehow. Even if it can't start the car it can at least open a door.
    - jonknee 9y ago
      What did they give you to start the car?
      - mustacheemperor 9y ago
        Lots of car fobs are just wireless transponders to authorize the remote start now, it's how those hacks to steal a BMW with a laptop work. But those fobs usually still have a real key inside.
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- jonknee 9y ago
  My apologies, I should have said "Non-Tesla production car" as this was specifically a Tesla rant. The Model 3 goes to the next level though as there is not even a fob.
  - grimgrin 9y ago
    Well I don't have any way to get in my Prius if I lose my keyless fob, but maybe that is only one exception