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New Zealand has RealMe (https://www.realme.govt.nz/ https://www.realme.govt.nz/) which is an opt-in system you can use to identify yourself when interacting wit

by sooper 9y ago

New Zealand has RealMe (https://www.realme.govt.nz/ https://www.realme.govt.nz/) which is an opt-in system you can use to identify yourself when interacting with various government departments and other entities.

djsumdog 9y ago
RealMe is a shitty non-compliant SAML2 (not really) identity provider that's impossible to interact with correctly. I worked on a contract where RealMe was giving us different unique IDs for the same people. It's a joke and a piece of rubbish. It's from the government who brought you Novapay and it's a piece of shit. No one uses it to manage identities and you don't really need to because there are only 4 million people there anyway. Their problem set is much more manageable. Please never use RealMe as a real world example of anything done right. Please also never use RealMe if you can avoid it.
- toomanybeersies 9y ago
  I think I have 2 RealMe accounts, and they're linked to different services, I have no idea which ones though. I'm not really sure what's up with them. The only government service I really use online is the IRD, who don't even use RealMe, they have their own login system. NZTA don't even bother, and just require your drivers license number and version, which is useless security, I could change ownership of anybodies car, just to be a dick, or possibly even to steal a car. RealMe is a RealMess. I find it's usually easier to just ring up the relevant department that requires me to login to RealMe.
averagewall 9y ago
New Zealand is a bit funny because people don't (or didn't) want a national identity system. There was public concern when photo drivers licenses were introduced because they might become a de-facto national ID card. The privacy commissioner (that's a thing) had this to say: "the proposal to oblige drivers to carry the licence at all times while driving would mean, in effect, ... provide ideal conditions for government agencies, police officers, retailers and other businesses, to ask for the card as standard identification in a variety of dealings unrelated to road safety." https://privacy.org.nz/news-and-publications/reports-to-parliament-and-government/land-transport-bill-photo-id-driver-licences/ https://privacy.org.nz/news-and-publications/reports-to-parl...
- toomanybeersies 9y ago
  Which is has. Every time I've been pulled up, or talked to, by the police for more than 30 seconds, they've asked me for my drivers license, regardless of whether I'm driving, or walking.
  - averagewall 9y ago
    Indeed. Which means they have the worst of both worlds - hard to hide your identity and no common standard for everybody. So now there's all kinds of alternatives - licence, passport, 18+ card, birth certificate(!). RealMe is pretty nice from the user's perspective to avoid all that crap.

by sooper 9y ago

djsumdog 9y ago

RealMe is a shitty non-compliant SAML2 (not really) identity provider that's impossible to interact with correctly. I worked on a contract where RealMe was giving us different unique IDs for the same people. It's a joke and a piece of rubbish. It's from the government who brought you Novapay and it's a piece of shit. No one uses it to manage identities and you don't really need to because there are only 4 million people there anyway. Their problem set is much more manageable. Please never use RealMe as a real world example of anything done right. Please also never use RealMe if you can avoid it.

toomanybeersies 9y ago
I think I have 2 RealMe accounts, and they're linked to different services, I have no idea which ones though. I'm not really sure what's up with them. The only government service I really use online is the IRD, who don't even use RealMe, they have their own login system. NZTA don't even bother, and just require your drivers license number and version, which is useless security, I could change ownership of anybodies car, just to be a dick, or possibly even to steal a car. RealMe is a RealMess. I find it's usually easier to just ring up the relevant department that requires me to login to RealMe.

averagewall 9y ago

New Zealand is a bit funny because people don't (or didn't) want a national identity system. There was public concern when photo drivers licenses were introduced because they might become a de-facto national ID card. The privacy commissioner (that's a thing) had this to say: "the proposal to oblige drivers to carry the licence at all times while driving would mean, in effect, ... provide ideal conditions for government agencies, police officers, retailers and other businesses, to ask for the card as standard identification in a variety of dealings unrelated to road safety." https://privacy.org.nz/news-and-publications/reports-to-parliament-and-government/land-transport-bill-photo-id-driver-licences/ https://privacy.org.nz/news-and-publications/reports-to-parl...

toomanybeersies 9y ago
Which is has. Every time I've been pulled up, or talked to, by the police for more than 30 seconds, they've asked me for my drivers license, regardless of whether I'm driving, or walking.
- averagewall 9y ago
  Indeed. Which means they have the worst of both worlds - hard to hide your identity and no common standard for everybody. So now there's all kinds of alternatives - licence, passport, 18+ card, birth certificate(!). RealMe is pretty nice from the user's perspective to avoid all that crap.