I've lived in Vancouver and SF, and worked for tech companies and startups in both places. Is Vancouver really second best? Vancouver feels like it's got one t

I've lived in Vancouver and SF, and worked for tech companies and startups in both places. Is Vancouver really second best? Vancouver feels like it's got one twentieth the hacker/startup scene that the Bay Area has. If that's second best I'm not sure what third best would be. Or is that just a testament to how much of an outlier the Bay Area is? Edit: Actually, now that I think about it, while there are home-grown VCs, a lot of investors were from the West Coast of the USA. So in a sense Vancouver, for startups, is just a really distant suburb of the Bay Area that has more liberal immigration and visa policies. And snowboarding.